Monday, November 12, 2018

Luther Maintained that Penance was a Sacrament?

Here's a  few snippets from an old discussion in which one of Rome's defenders said Luther "maintained" penance to be a sacrament:

Originally posted by highrigger View Post

The Reformers naturally abandoned all but the legitimate two that Jesus taught.
Luther maintained that Penance was a sacrament.
“Come near to Me, listen to this: from the first I have not spoken in secret, from the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.” [Isaiah 48:16 (NASB)]

Originally posted by highrigger View Post
If he meant repentance he was wrong.
irrespective, you said the Reformers held to two sacraments, whereas the original Reformer held to three

Repentance was not instituted by Jesus.
Surely Jesus said nothing of repentance...
“Come near to Me, listen to this: from the first I have not spoken in secret, from the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.” [Isaiah 48:16 (NASB)]

Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post
Luther maintained that Penance was a sacrament.
I'm not sure which "Luther" you're referring to. The one from the 16th century only held to there being two sacraments: baptism and the Lord's Supper.

Nevertheless, it has seemed proper to restrict the name of sacrament to those promises which have signs attached to them. The remainder, not being bound to signs, are bare promises. Hence there are, strictly speaking, but two sacraments in the church of God—baptism and the bread. For only in these two do we find both the divinely instituted sign and the promise of forgiveness of sins. The sacrament of penance, which I added to these two, lacks the divinely instituted visible sign, and is, as I have said, nothing but a way and a return to baptism. (LW 36:124)
What's interesting about this quote (at least to me) is that earlier in the same writing, he said penance was a sacrament (LW 36:21-22), but by the end of the treatise, he had changed his mind (the quote above). The editors of LW note: "Penance he would retain in purified form, but not as a sacrament, because it lacks a visible sign appointed by God; however, he strongly rejects priestly absolution" (LW 36:7-8). While Luther denied that penance was a sacrament, I recall he still confessed his sins the rest of his life.


Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

Luther maintained that Penance was a sacrament.
Doubtful since it is not mentioned at all in the NT.

JohnR

Originally posted by highrigger View Post

Doubtful since it is not mentioned at all in the NT.

JohnR
I mentioned this earlier in this discussion. See Luther's discussion in The Babylonian Captivity of the Church (1520). Earlier in this writing, he allows for penance to be a sacrament, by the end he had changed his mind. That's hardly "maintained." Perhaps in his research, Curious Joe has this book, but didn't read it to the end.

Monday, November 05, 2018

What do Rome's Defender Patrick Madrid and Extreme Fundamentalist David J. Stewart Have In Common?

Patrick Madrid is a popular Roman Catholic apologist, authoring many books and hosting various Roman Catholic shows. He's engaged in moderated debates in defense of Rome and actively works to bring people back to the Roman church (as his sample press release mentions).  David J. Stewart is some sort of extreme fundamentalist, the mastermind behind the website, Jesus is Savior.com. Simply Google his name, and up will appear an entire cyber-world of controversy, from those who praise his efforts, to those who warn of his heresies and immorality. It may seem like lumping these two together is far-fetched, but there is something they both share in common: both spun the same Martin Luther quote.

I'll demonstrate that not only did neither document Luther helpfully, meaningfully, or accurately, neither appears to have bothered to look at the context of what they were citing. Both grossly distort the actual intent of Luther's words. In essence, both are engaging in what is commonly known as... propaganda: "the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person." Mr. Madrid uses the quote to help his cause in creating converts (or reverts) to Rome by pointing out similarities between Luther and Rome, while Mr. Stewart uses the quote to defile the reputation of Martin Luther, thus leading people away from a Reformation heritage and towards his form of extreme fundamentalism.

Patrick Madrid, Roman Catholic Apologist
In his book, Envoy for Christ: 25 Years as a Catholic Apologist, Patrick Madrid says on page 128:


For Patrick Madrid, this quote demonstrates that Martin Luther, like Roman Catholics, both then and now, believed in honoring and praising Mary "in glowing terms." The quote is placed after Madrid argues for the validity of bowing to, praying to, and singing praises to Mary as a form of honor, not worship. Luther's words show "just how far evangelicalism has drifted it from its own roots." What is the picture that's created from the great Reformer's words? Was Luther waxing poetically about Mary in a polemical treatise?  Perhaps he was standing in his pulpit, flowing with eloquent words of great devotion and honor toward Mary: she is the lady above heaven and earth! She is to be pulled in a golden coach pulled by 4,000 horses! Let's raise her above the whole human race and sing to her and praise her as she goes by! According to Mr. Madrid, these were the "roots" or evangelicalism. This was the Marian view taught by the original Protestant Reformer! This is the way Luther taught his hearers to honor and praise Mary, with words of praise of her exalted status! If modern Protestants listened to Luther, they wouldn't be hostile to honoring the greatness of Mary;  in fact they would be "authentic" and "organic" Evangelicals!
 

David J. Stewart, Extreme Fundamentalist
From his web-page, Martin Luther was a Mary Worshipper!, David J. Stewart states,
Ask the average believer, even most pastors, what they think about Martin Luther and you'll hear nothing but well spoken words. In fact, Martin Luther is still widely recognized as a “hero” of the Christian faith, the father of the protestant movement. It has to make one wonder if people ever read anything other than the newspaper.
Tragically, unbeknownst to most believers, Martin Luther was an unsaved heretic who taught damnable heresies until his death. Don't believe it? I'll prove it with Martin Luther's own words. Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Visitation (July 2, 1532) AFTER his break with Rome, here's Martin Luther speaking heresy about Mary...
"She, the Lady above heaven and earth, must have a heart so humble that she might have no shame in washing the swaddling clothes or preparing a bath for St. John the Baptist, like a servant girl. What humility! It would surely have been more just to have arranged for her a golden coach, pulled by 4,000 horses, and to cry and proclaim as the carriage proceeded: 'Here passes the woman who is raised FAR ABOVE all women, indeed above the WHOLE human race.'"
For David J. Stewart, Luther's words about Mary demonstrate he was "an unsaved heretic who taught damnable heresies until his death." The actual words Luther delivered are a pure example of "heresy about Mary." He goes on to say that Luther was guilty of blasphemy because the Bible teaches Mary was blessed "among" women, not "above" women. He then says,
It is wrong to sing, pray, praise, or worship while including any mention of Mary. Why? Because the Word of God doesn't do it. If God NEVER recognized Mary, nor told us to recognize Mary, then why in the name of common sense would people adore and uplift Mary as being something special? She is not! It's time that people got back into the Bible and stopped listening to their lying Lutheran minister.
In an ironic way, Mr. Stewart is on the same page as Mr. Madrid. Stewart's "Luther" is also standing in his pulpit, flowing profusely with words of great devotion and honor toward Mary. He's preaching to the first generation of Protestants how to understand who Mary was, to sing her praise, and to honor her very being as the highest person in all creation, the greatest woman to have ever lived.  Stewart concludes, "It is a sin to idolize Mary. Martin Luther only came out of the Catholic church superficially, but not in his doctrines. Listen again to the woeful words of Luther:'Here passes the woman who is raised FAR ABOVE all women, indeed above the WHOLE human race.'"

Documentation 
Keep your eye on the ball with this one! The lack of documentation by Mr. Stewart and the seeming documentation from Mr. Madrid is a mess of errors based on copying from secondary sources. Untangling this mess, particularly that caused by Mr. Madrid, takes effort to unravel. Let's begin with the easier of the two, the documentation presented by David J. Stewart.

Mr. Stewart's page includes a number of cut-and paste Luther quotes that circulated in the late 1990's and early 2000's. For instance, this page from 2001 includes the exact quote and presents other vague quotes in the same format. This type of sparse documentation (particularly about Luther's view of Mary) was often presented by Rome's defenders, then cut-and-pasted ad infinitum. Whenever you come across a Luther quote about Mary documented with simply a sermon title and a date, there's a strong probability the quote was taken from a secondary source, primarily Roman Catholic. Stewart appears to have utilized one of these early Roman Catholic propaganda web-pages.

For exact documentation, Mr. Stewart provides only, "Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Visitation (July 2, 1532)." He could have cut-and-pasted this information from any number of web-pages. The earliest archived version I could locate of Stewart's web-page was from March 2006. Interestingly, this Roman Catholic website from right around the same time includes the quote and says exactly, "Martin Luther preached on the Feast of the Visitation (July 2, 1532) after his break with Rome...".  I'll demonstrate below that whoever originally wrote this sentence, that and the Luther quote are based on a 1992 article from This Rock magazine written by someone using the pen name, "Father Mateo." It could've also been Mateo's 1993 book, Refuting the Attack on Mary, pages 67-68, which includes the exact content of the magazine article.

Mr. Madrid's reference though is far more complicated. Because he published the quote in a book, he attempted to present a genuine reference. He cites "Luther's Works, 21:327, 36:208,45:107" (that's right, three different volumes of Luther's Works for one quote!).  None of these references though are accurate if Mr. Madrid is referring to the American Edition of Luther's writings known as Luther's Works (LW).  The first reference (LW 21:327) is actually to a page in which Luther discusses Mary, but there is no part of the quote Madrid is citing found there. The second and third references have nothing at all to do with Mary. The reason for this is that Madrid appears to have haphazardly copied the quote and references also from the 1992 This Rock article (or perhaps the 1993 book). That article first cites LW 21:327 accurately in regard to a Luther quote about Mary being "Queen of Heaven." Then, the author presents the exact quote Madrid uses with the documentation, "Ibid., 36:208, 45:107." These later references though are also completely wrong. "Ibid." means Father Mateo was referring back to LW (which was cited correctly), but these two later references to LW 36 and 45 have nothing to do with Mary or any aspect of the quote they are intended to document.

The reason for this mess is that Father Mateo appears to have plagiarized the quote and documentation from Max Thurian's book, Mary, Mother of All Christians, p.79-80. Thurian similarly cites the quote and presents 36:208, 45:107, but indicates he's citing the German Weimar edition of Luther's writings (WA), not LW. Father Mateo blundered by combining two completely different editions of Luther's collected writings (LW and WA). Madrid furthered the confusion by adding the reference LW 21:327 without providing the actual quote Mateo used. Someone picking up Madrid's book and trying to track down these references would be completely lost, as would be someone utilizing Mateo's article. Mateo mentions Thurian throughout his book, but not for this particular Luther quote ¾ which is crucial because the English rendering of the quote and documentation is unique to Thurian. Mateo should have cited Thurian. That he didn't demonstrates Mateo, however inadvertently, plagiarized Thurian.

Max Thurian originally wrote his book in French. The English translation was done by Neville B. Cryer in 1963.  Follow this linguistic trail: the quote began as a Latin / German mix in WA, then it was rendered in French by Max Thurian, then it was translated into English by Cryer. Here is Thurian's presentation in English:
We are not here concerned with a purely psychological and spiritual kind of meditation which would give free rein to the subject of Mary, on the pretext that never enough could be said about her. Such a meditation would run the risk of removing us from a healthy theological consideration of the mystery of the incarnation. It is not forbidden to permit one's meditation to benefit from a use of the imagination provided that such imagination is concerned with images which have a direct relation with Christian teaching, and are not decorations which just embroider the truth which can really gain nothing from it. We shall not go as far as Luther, whom it is perhaps good to quote here, so as to reverse a little more the opinions so well established on the Marian doctrine of the Reformation: 'She, the Lady above heaven and earth, must forget her goods, have a heart so humble that she might have no shame in washing the swaddling clothes or preparing a bath for John the Baptist like a servant girl (in the house of Elizabeth). What humility! it would surely have been more just to have arranged for her a golden coach, pulled by 4,000 horses and to cry and proclaim as the carriage proceeded: "Here passes the woman who is raised far above all women, indeed above the whole human race" . . . but no, she makes her long journey on foot, first one mile, then twenty, then more and yet she is already the Mother of God! It would have been more just surely that all the hills should leap and dance! ' (at the Feast of the Visitation, July 2, 1532) 15 ; and then on another Feast of the Visitation, July 2, 1537, Luther said: 'When the Virgin received the acclamation of Elizabeth as being the blessed Mother of God, because she had believed and because all was coming to pass as the angel had spoken, she was not filled with pride by this praise which no other woman had ever yet spoken to her this immense praise: "No woman is like unto thee! you are more than an empress or a queen! you are more than Eve or Sarah; blessed above- all nobility, wisdom or saintliness! " No, she was not filled with pride by this lofty, excellent and super-abundant praise . . . 16
15 Weimar, 36: 208, 19 to 26.
16 Weimar 45:105, 7 to 106 1.
The reference of concern is the first. Here is WA 36:208, lines 19-26:


The text being cited is from a sermon, "at the Feast of the Visitation, July 2, 1532" (Luke 1:39-56).  The sermon was part of Luther's House Postil. These sermons were delivered by Luther at his house (the old monastery) to his friends and family between 1531 - 1535. These sermons were not written by Luther, but were put together by two men who heard them being preached (Veit Dietrich and Georg Roerer). The version of the sermon being cited is Roerer's, presenting his curious mix of German and Latin.  A more refined German text of Roerer's version can be found in Dr. Martin Luthers Sämmtliche schriften 13-2, beginning on page 2732. There is an English translation of  Roerer's version of the sermon available in the Complete Sermons of Martin Luther, vol. 7 [Grand Rapids: Baker Books, 2000), 341-356, which will be utilized below.

Context
In context, Luther first mentions the institution of the Feast of Mary's Visitation:
This feast is called also the Feast of Our Ladies. The pope first instituted this festival some time ago against the Turkish threat, in keeping with the lection sung during the Mass, namely, that just as the Virgin Mary went into the hill country and over the mountains, so we are to call upon her to trample down the Turks with the same feet. But the longer people celebrated this feast and called upon the Virgin Mary, the more the Turks trampled on us. Therefore, this cannot be the reason why we would want to observe this feast (p.341).
Luther then says that while "the purpose of the pope's celebration is to invoke Mary... our purpose is to praise God, in accordance with the example of the beloved Virgin, so that we celebrate just as she did" (p. 342). What is that example? Luther has in mind the events recorded in Luke 1:39-56  The sermon has two basic points. First, what is the true example Mary provides; that is, what can one learn from her reaction to her visit with Elizabeth? What outward works and Christian behavior does she exhibit?  Second, Luther provides a mini-commentary on the Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), and explores how those verses instruct Christians "to live godly lives, both inwardly and outwardly in this world, with joyfulness, thanksgiving, and faith before God, which is our reasonable service" (p. 342).

The emphasis throughout this sermon is not on how to honor Mary for being the greatest woman to have lived, but to honor Mary by following her example of humility. Luther repeatedly emphasizes that Mary does not become haughty or prideful of her special maternal privilege, particularly if one considers how the birth line of royalty played into the culture. According to Luther, Mary would have every right to be considered one of the most important and special royal people that had ever lived.  She was to be the mother of the King of Kings.  Luther states,
4. The first thing deals with outward decency and morals, as laid before us there are excellent, beautiful virtues. The first of these is humility. The young Virgin Mary, although she is highly honored (for she is the mother of God, and Elisabeth ought really be serving her!), nevertheless heeds God's teaching to honor older people. Although already exalted, she humbly lowers herself and with gladsome heart travels a very great distance, in order to serve her kinswoman during this six weeks. And for her part, Elisabeth, though older than Mary, nonetheless humbles herself before the young virgin stating, "Whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" 
5. The beloved Virgin adorns herself beautifully by not becoming proud of the honor she has of being the mother of God. No one would have been surprised had she succumbed to haughty arrogance and become more puffed up than Lucifer or his allies. For look how we act, bag of worms that we are! Give us a penny or a gulden, and people can't bear with us blown up peacocks! A dairymaid with beautiful hair puffs herself up and becomes vain; so too, a young fellow with a splendid coat. Everybody becomes proud and insolent when they posses something special, be it beauty, skill, money, rank, or whatever; their arrogance knows no limit or bounds. Yet everything is like the dust of the street compared to the great grace which the Virgin has here (pp. 342-343).
Luther goes on to further apply Mary's humility as a means of exhorting away from pride and arrogance. He describes a counterfactual situation in order to teach his hearers on the sin of pride; a fictitious meeting with Mary on Judgment Day:
8. Ah, how great is the humility of this noble person. It will rebuff our arrogance on Judgment Day to see the beloved Virgin, whose response to us proud wretches will be, I didn't let it go to my head nor did I boast, and yet I have been more privileged than you ever were, proud empress and queen! What, indeed, was the basis for your boast, your arrogance? A gold necklace, a beautiful coat, or a beautiful body, was that your boast? How could that even compare to the fact that I was the mother of God, of whom the angels and all the saints have spoken far and wide as the most blessed among women? Yet I did not become overweening with pride because of this. 
9. Therefore, you crazy "holies," you heretics, you factious spirits, you have represented yourselves to be so learned that your belly is about to burst because of your knowledge about to burst because of your knowledge. What do you really know that gives you such airs, to be so cocky and arrogant? Do you want to compete with me to see whether with all your cleverness you can compose even one verse of the Magnificat? I, too, was able to speak about our Lord God, and yet I didn't become arrogant; I disregarded all personal honor, went on foot over the mountains, assisted the aging Elisabeth for six weeks, cooked, washed diapers, and did all manner of housework willingly and with all my heart, just like a maidservant, and received nothing in return. In this manner, humbly, Mary will cut the ground from under all arrogant people. 
10. For shame! For such vile arrogance you deserved to be shamed, every one of you, before this maiden's great humility shown here! She is the mother of God and the greatest of women in heaven and on earth. She forgets all else, every good thing, and with truly humble heart sets out on her way, not ashamed to wash diapers, gently care for and bathe the infant John, and so on. Such humility is truly something to behold. It would have been fitting someone provided her with a gold carriage to ride in, drawn by four thousand horses, with trumpets heralding the carriage's coming, proclaiming that the greatest of all women was approaching, princess of the whole human race! But there was nothing like this, only silence. The poor maiden travels by foot a great distance, more than twenty miles, and she herself is with child, the mother of God. It would not at all have been astonishing if all the mountains had leaped and danced for joy. Possibly she did not travel alone, but in company with Joseph and another maiden. But Luke speaks on of her, for the focus is concentrated on her, and she alone it is who evinces such humility.
11. That is the first virtue, great humility. Men and women everywhere ought to form a picture of this in their hearts and be horrified because of their proud and obstinate minds. Nowadays we see and experience how rude, haughty, and insolent people are everywhere in the world, workers and domestic especially. Masters and mistresses must wait on their help, their servants and maids. so arrogant have they become, even though they are but poor, miserable beggars. I shall say nothing about what the lofty squires and ladies are doing, who posses station, power, possessions, knowledge, and other things. They won't always have these things. Eventually thunder and lightening will strike and put an end to their arrogance(p. 343-345).
Notice the comparison. Luther is not exhorting his hearers to launch into unrestrained praise of the Virgin Mary. Rather, what Luther wants his hearers to take away is the special privilege given to Mary and her godly reaction of humility. Luther wants his hearers "to learn from and emulate this example of the blessed Virgin..." "to serve willingly and humbly, irrespective of whether one thinks himself more deserving and important than the person whom he serves" (p. 347).  In human terms, people want to honor Mary because of her chosen role. In Luther's terms, Mary serves as an example of Christian humility for people to learn from. If people want to honor Mary, they are to do it by following her example of humility.

Luther goes on in the sermon to expound on the Magnificat. He address the typical praise of Mary found in the churches of his day. He mentions the singing of the Magnificat:
It is an especially beautiful song, and it is sung by the papists, monks, nuns, and priests everywhere, in all churches. However, it is sinful and shameful for them to sing it without proper understanding and reverence. They say the words, and the below like big jackasses, but the organ pipes it much better than they sing it. They treat it lightly with no intent to understand it, but simply plod through it, babbling like geese that clack over oat straw (p. 349).
How then should the song be understood? Luther rejects that it is to be sung as a praise to Mary:
Mary says that her spirit is magnifying something, that is extolling and highly praising something, that she is rejoicing with all her heart, and that, therefore, her heart is completely full of joy and delight. What is it? Whom is she thus magnifying? Herself? No! I, she says, have nothing, nor do I want you to praise me dear Elisabeth. It is the Lord God, whom all the world should extol and praise, whom I am extolling and praising with all my thoughts, acknowledging that everything I have belongs to him, our Lord God (p. 349).
Commenting on "For he that is mighty hath done great things, and holy is his name," Luther comments,
She does not want to touch upon the name of our Lord God, that is, she does not want to vaunt herself because of her gifts, ever acknowledging that what she has is God's, not hers. And for this reason her desire is that we all might acknowledge him to be mighty, but ourselves as weak, powerless humans; that his name alone is holy, that is, his name alone should be extolled and  glorified, while our name is not holy and therefore, should not be extolled. But look around you in the world. Do you  see any who do it? People seek for a great reputation and high esteem with others, especially to be thought highly of for holiness and righteousness. But Mary teaches us to esteem God only as mighty and his name as holy, that is, boast alone of God and his grace and about nothing else (p. 352).

Conclusion
This sermon has one goal in mind: "our Lord God wants humble people; to them he wants to give every good thing" (p.354). Luther turned a traditional Marian sermon on its head: what was typically a sermon praising Mary's greatness and invoking her became an evangelical lesson on humility. How different this is to current trends in popular Roman Catholic apologetics! They present entire books focused on Mary (immaculate conception, perpetual virginity, etc), and write apologetic efforts on bowing to, praying to, and singing praises to Mary. Luther though, when he takes the opportunity to focus on Mary, does something completely different: he focuses on her humility as a means to instruct on Christian morals and behavior. Mary becomes an example of evangelical theology. David Wright sums up Luther's Mary aptly:
The whole Lutheran theology is in this . . . view of Mary as a rather pathetic young girl without intrinsic sanctity or merit.' It makes Mary an example and no longer an exception—an example both of God's initiative (God does nothing but 'break what is whole and make whole what is broken'; as Mary might have said, 'I am but the workshop in which He performs His work; I had nothing to do with the work itself), and of human response in humble trust: humility, modesty, faith and love are not what God rewarded in Mary but what his grace evoked in her. She demands no higher station than she enjoyed before, but 'goes about her useful household duties, milking the cows, cooking the meals, washing pots and kettles, sweeping out the rooms, and performing the work of maidservant or housemother in lowly and despised tasks, as though she cared nothing for such great gifts and graces.' The simplicity and calmness with which Mary accepts her calling stands in marked contrast with the idolatrous honours that have been heaped upon her. In the way Mary responded to the angelic annunciation (Luke 1:26-38), she is our teacher. She 'does not say that people will speak all manner of good of her, praise her virtues, exalt her virginity or her humility, or sing of what she has done', but rather she acknowledges the grace of God toward her (David Wright, Chosen By God: Mary in Evangelical Perspective (London: Marshall Pickering, 1989, 165-166)
This is simply a different "Mary" than what Rome was putting forth. Even Luther's emphasis on Mary's humility was radical. Albert Steinhauser points out, 
In the Catholic system humility is not the greatest of the virtues. It does not even rank as one of the four cardinal virtues, though it is annexed to the last of them—temperance—as a "potential part." Humility is, however, said to be the foundation of the spiritual edifice; it is the first virtue, inasmuch as it removes the obstacles to faith and makes a man a fit recipient of grace. Cf. Catholic Encyclopedia., vii, 544 (Works of Martin Luther Vol. III, 144).
Mr. Madrid thinks that Luther's comment is an example of "statements of praise for Mary." He believes it's proper to sing praises and bow down to Mary He states, "The fact is, the Bible doesn't merely speak approvingly of man's rendering such legitimate praise to other human beings, it actually provides us with many examples of God himself praising faithful men and women" (p. 125). "The Bible says that bowing, if it's done to show respect and honor to a friend of God, is not just tolerable, but admirable" (p.128). Praising Mary and the saints is just like recognizing the beauty of God "in a majestic mountain or a dazzling sunset" (p.128). "We recognize the great beauty and the graces God has bestowed on these men and women.... and praising them redounds to God's greater honor and glory" (p.128). Is this what Luther had in mind when he uttered the words Mr. Madrid is quoting? Luther does say some nice things about Mary in this sermon, but he wasn't saying them to justify a venerating Marian theology or to instruct his hearers on how to venerate, praise, sing to, or to bow down to Mary. The emphasis is completely different. Luther presents a picture of the person who carried very God within her body as something that should have caused her to have great pride: the Lady above heaven and earth, raised above the whole human race, an empress, a queen. Luther takes what should have happened to her ego in human terms, and uses it as didactic tool to instruct on humility.  For Luther, do not invoke, venerate, praise, sing to, or bow down to Mary. If one wants to  really"honor" Mary, follow her example... and be humble.

True, as Madrid says, some of Luther's Marian statements "are sources of scandal and irritation for today's Evangelical Protestants." Protestants have often swung to the opposite extreme, barely considering the special role of Mary in God's redemptive purpose. If Protestants were to carefully read this sermon (which even Max Thurian appears to have not done), the grandiose things Luther was saying about Mary weren't all that outrageous.  They were phrases that would have made perfect sense to his hearers. Remember, Luther's world was soaked in Mariolatry.

Certainly Mr. Stewart didn't read this sermon carefully, if at all. We can put Mr. Stewart in Madrid's ballpark of "sources of scandal and irritation" in regard to Luther's statements about Mary. While I don't consider Mr. Stewart evangelical or protestant, he certainly had a typical knee-jerk reaction to Luther's words. Stewart accuses Luther of idolizing Mary, and actually only "superficially" leaving Rome, all because Luther said some nice things about Mary in order to make a point about humility. Had Stewart bothered to read the sermon, perhaps he would have gotten the actual point Luther was making... perhaps. 

Wednesday, October 31, 2018

A Reformation Day Summary


Luther's Reformation Breakthrough (by Church History, Historical Theology Professor Ryan Reeves, Gordon-Conwell Seminary)

Dr. Reeves summarizes Luther's Breakthrough on Justification by Faith Alone:



Dr. Reeves then goes back to explain the 95 Theses:




I confess I have not had time to post much over the past year, but I wanted to have a link of some of the best that I consider that James Swan has put together in the apologetic issues of Roman Catholic claims against Luther.

Summary of some links that I have found the most helpful articles of James Swan on Luther and the Reformation and apologetics of answering some of the main Roman Catholic common claims against Luther.

Luther Added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 ?

Alister McGrath on Augustine and Justification in Latin

More on McGrath and the "theological novum" comment & Roman Catholic claims

Luther's comment on James as "an Epistle of Straw" (Part 2)  (links back to Part 1, see below)

Luther's comment on James (Part 1) 



An Excerpt from James Swan's excellent research on Martin Luther's "Epistle of Straw" comment:

4: Martin Luther Called The Book Of James “An Epistle Of Straw”
The most frequent charge against Luther’s view on the canon is his opinion on the book of James.[50]  Luther wrote this statement in his original Preface To The New Testament in 1522:
In a word St. John’s Gospel and his first epistle, St. Paul’s epistles, especially Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians, and St. Peter’s first epistle are the books that show you Christ and teach you all that is necessary and salvatory for you to know, even if you were never to see or hear any other book or doctrine. Therefore St. James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw,  compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the gospel about it. But more of this in the other prefaces.”[51]
Rarely is Luther accurately quoted on this topic. Luther says James “is really an epistle of straw” compared to “St. John’s Gospel and his first epistle, St. Paul’s epistles, especially Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians, and St. Peter’s first epistle.” Luther wants his readers to see a comparison.

An interesting fact about this quote (hardly ever mentioned by Luther-detractors!) is that it only appears in the original 1522 Preface To The New Testament. John Warwick Montgomery points out: “Few people realize — and liberal Luther interpreters do not particularly advertise the fact — that in all the editions of Luther’s Bible translation after 1522 the—Reformer dropped the paragraphs at the end, of his general Preface to the New Testament which made value judgments among the various biblical books and which included the famous reference to James as an “Epistle of straw.”[52] Montgomery finds that Luther showed a “considerable reduction in negative tone in the revised Prefaces to the biblical books later in the Reformer’s career.”[53]  For anyone to continue to cite Luther’s “epistle of straw” comment against him is to do Luther an injustice. He saw fit to retract the comment. Subsequent citations of this quote should bear this in mind.[54]



Tuesday, October 30, 2018

Luther: “When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children.”

In an attempt to link Reformation day and Halloween, Here's a Martin Luther quote that appeared on the CARM discussion boards:
“When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children.”
This quote appears to have been posted by someone with sympathies to the Mormon church (see my previous entry for documentation and details). This LDS detractor stated, "...if you wanna talk about Luther, the founder of the Reformation, he certainly believed that demons were responsible for all kinds of stuff that most today would call wacky superstition." This wasn't an isolated usage. There are a number of web-pages using this quote, often posting it without any commentary, I assume, simply for its "shock" value. There are though some rather curious occurrences, For instance,  the author of this odd PDF entitled, "Luther, The Deranged Theologian" uses the quote (and a number of other quotes) to show it's, "quite obvious that we are not looking at a rational man." In an article on linking Satan and flies, former fundamentalist Edward Babinski cites the quote as proof Luther believed Satan uses and possess animals. 

Let's take a look at this quote and see what's going on. Frankly, if the quote is legitimate, I'm not sure why the quote would shock anybody. Witches (and their powers) were a common belief of people in The 16th Century. 


Documentation
There are a few different English versions of the quote. "When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children," appears to be a variant of something at least as old as 1856: "When I was a child there were many witches, who bewitched both cattle and men, especially children." I suspect this is a variant of a version at least as old as 1801: "When I was a child there were many witches and sorcerers, who bewitched both cattle and men, but especially children, and did great harm also otherwise."

Many web-pages provide no documentation for this quote.  However, there are a few that mention the quote is from Luther's Commentary on Galatians, which is correct. The quote can be found in  WA 40 (2): 112-113. The text reads, 



There's actually two different texts going on here. The basis of the English quote is the Latin text reading, "Frequens fuit vitium his nostris temporibus ante revelatum Euangelium. Me puero multae erant Veneficae, quae pecora et homines, praecipue pueros, incantabant. Item nocebant  segetibus per tempestates et grandines, quas suis Veneficiis excitabant." Then, there is a Latin / German mixed  text. In English,  the quote can be found in Luther's comments on Galatians 5 ( LW 27:89). LW 27 translates it as, "When I was a boy, there were many witches who cast spells upon cattle and upon people, especially children. They also damaged the crops through storms and hail, which they caused by their sorcery.There are older English versions available online, full view (1801, 1860). The context below uses an English version from 1860.

Context
Of witchcraft I have spoken before, in the third chapter. This vice was very common in these our days, before the light and truth of the gospel was revealed. When I was a child, there were many witches and sorcerers, which bewitched both cattle and men, but specially children, and did great harm also otherwise; but now, in the light of the gospel, these things be not so commonly heard of, for the gospel thrusteth the devil out of his seat, with all his illusions. But now he bewitcheth men much more horribly, namely, with spiritual sorcery and witchcraft.
Paul reckoneth witchcraft among the works of the flesh, which notwithstanding, as all men know, is not a work of fleshly lust or lechery, but a kind of idolatry. For witchcraft covenanteth with the devil; superstition or idolatry covenanteth with God: albeit, not with the true God, but with a counterfeit god. Wherefore idolatry is, indeed, a spiritual witchcraft. For as witches do enchant cattle and men, so idolaters, that is to say, all justiciaries, or justifiers of themselves, go about to bewitch God,and to make him such a one as they do imagine. Now they imagine him to be such a one as will justify them, not of his mere grace and mercy, and through faith in Christ, but in respect of their will-worshippings, and works of their own choosing, and in recompense thereof will give them righteousness and life everlasting. But whilst they go about to bewitch God, they bewitch themselves; for if they continue in this wicked opinion which they conceive of God, they shall die in their idolatry and be damned. The works of the flesh are well known for the most part, therefore they shall not need any further declaration. (source)

Conclusion
In context, Luther admits to the reality of witches and witchcraft. He observes they could "cast spells upon cattle and upon people, especially children," and "they also damaged the crops through storms and hail" (LW 27:90). He then says "Now that the Gospel has been revealed, such things are unheard of, because the gospel drives the devil and all his allusions from their seat of power (LW 27:90). Luther then switches the subject to sorcery, in which the Devil casts a spiritual spell making men want to be justified by works rather than by "mere grace and faith in Christ" (LW 27:90). Luther also mentions he dealt with the subject of witchcraft in his comments on Galatians 3. Commenting on "Who has bewitched you so that you do not obey the truth," Luther states,
The reason Paul calls the Galatians foolish and bewitched is that he compares them to children, to whom witchcraft does a great deal of harm. It is as though he were saying: “What is happening to you is precisely what happens to children, whom witches, sorceresses, and hags usually charm quickly and easily with their bewitchment, a trick of Satan.” Paul does not deny that witchcraft exists and is possible; for later on, in the fifth chapter (v. 20), he also lists “sorcery,” which is the same as witchcraft, among the works of the flesh. Thereby he proves that witchcraft and sorcery exist and are possible. For it is undeniable that the devil lives, yes, rules, in all the world. Therefore witchcraft and sorcery are works of the devil, by which he not only injures people but sometimes, with God’s permission, destroys them. But we are all subject to the devil, both according to our bodies and according to our material possessions. We are guests in the world, of which he is the ruler (John 16:11) and the god (2 Cor. 4:4). Therefore the bread we eat, the drinks we drink, the clothes we wear—in fact, the air and everything we live on in the flesh—are under his reign. Through his witches, therefore, he is able to do harm to children, to give them heart trouble, to blind them, to steal them, or even to remove a child completely and put himself into the cradle in place of the stolen child. I have heard that in Saxony there was such a boy. He was suckled by five women and still could not be satisfied. There are many similar instances.
Therefore witchcraft is nothing but an artifice and illusion of the devil, whether he cripples a part of the body or touches the body or takes it away altogether. He can do this uncommonly well, even in the case of old people. No wonder, then, that he bewitches children this way. Nevertheless, this is nothing but some sort of illusion; for they say that he is able to heal what he has crippled with his wiles. But he heals by restoring an eye or some other injured part of the body—not that it had really been injured; but the senses of those whom he has bewitched, as well as of others who looked at the bewitched, were so deluded that they did not regard it as an illusion but supposed that it was a genuine injury. But since he removes the injury in due time, it is evident that it was merely an illusion, not a genuine injury; for a genuine injury cannot be healed or restored. (LW 26:189-190)
It's true, the world Luther lived in believed in things that many today would call "wacky superstition." Yes, Luther believed in witches and sorcerers, and believed they had supernatural powers; that was what people believed in the sixteenth century, so why anyone would find this aspect of Luther shocking or disturbing indicates historical anachronism and bias at best, and stupidity at worst. I find it ironic that there are people today who claim to be witches and to have the ability to redirect energy  or cast hexes. The power Luther attributed to witches certainly was over-the-top, rationally explained as being the product of myth and hearsay.  But on a fundamental level, that he believed in the existence of witches and witchcraft is not much different than many modern people in the world today. 

Monday, October 22, 2018

6 Beautiful Quotes on Mary You Won’t Believe Are From Martin Luther?


In a recent discussion, I was provided with a link to "6 Beautiful Quotes on Mary You Won’t Believe Are From Martin Luther,  given to demonstrate Luther "had a strong devotion to Mary and her intercessory role." The link is to a hip-looking Roman Catholic website, Church POP. The web-article was composed by "ChurchPOP Editor," which could be either one of two people (or perhaps someone else?) listed here.

Given the polemics against the Reformation from Rome's defenders, it's peculiar to find one contending something Luther said was "beautiful"!  Aren't Rome's apologists typically critical of  Luther? Not so when it comes to the topic of Mary; negative sentiment towards Luther shifts considerably. Luther becomes the staunch supporter of Mary; the potentate all contemporary Protestants should learn a great lesson in Mariology from. This drastic shift is puzzling, particularly since Luther’s abandoning of the intercession of the saints and his doctrine of justification significantly changes his Marian approach. Let's work through this link, and see if it proves Luther's "strong devotion" to Mary and her "intercessory role."
Martin Luther sparked the Protestant Reformation and was critical of what he considered excesses and corruptions in the Catholic Church. But did you know he continued to hold many Catholic doctrines about Mary? Here are some quotes from Martin Luther about the Blessed Virgin Mary that may surprise you:
Yes, there are quotes about Mary from Luther peppered throughout his writings that may "surprise" a reader. I suspect the quotes would be most surprising to someone ignorant of church history, particularly those unaware of the ebb and flow of trends and traditions, both within Roman Catholicism and Protestantism. It's true that the early Reformers, particularly Luther, made comments about Mary that current Protestants would not make. But similarly, there are comments made by Protestants today that would probably surprise Luther. This isn't, to use the cliché,  rocket science. The Marian climate of Luther's proto-Protestant world is not the Marian climate of the current theological landscape. When Luther broke with Rome, he was, in some regard, a transitional figure. To steal a concept from Alister McGrath: the Reformers demonstrated both continuity and discontinuity with the period which immediately preceded it. It shouldn't be at all surprising then to discover elements of Luther's Mariology that echoed the medieval theological worldview. Contrarily, it should also not be surprising to discover there were elements of Luther's understanding of Mary that broke with the medieval theological worldview.
1) Mary has no equal among creation
“She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child….
“Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God…. None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.” (source)
The source provided is to a section of Wikipedia's article, Luther's Marian Theology. The reference given is "Luther's Works, 21:326, cf. 21:346." LW 21:326 is partially accurate. The first paragraph and the first sentence of the second paragraph are from LW 21:326. The rest of the second paragraph, while technically from the same page, is actually an English translation taken from William Cole’s article “Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?” (Marian Studies Volume XXI, 1970), p.131. Someone appears to have morphed the two English translations together.  Why? Well, that's how Rome's defenders do things. "cf. 21:346" seems superfluous. The only relevant aspect on the page is the phrase "Mother of God," which appears a few times.

The actual quote is from Luther's comments on Luke 1:49, in which  Mary says, "For He who is mighty has done great things for me." Luther states,
The “great things” are nothing less than that she became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child. She herself is unable to find a name for this work, it is too exceedingly great; all she can do is break out in the fervent cry: “They are great things,” impossible to describe or define. Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God. No one can say anything greater of her or to her, though he had as many tongues as there are leaves on the trees, or grass in the fields, or stars in the sky, or sand by the sea. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
Contemporary Protestants distance themselves from the title, “Mother of God,” and perhaps for good reason. The term has evolved in its usage. What was once a rich theological term expressing a doctrinal truth about Christ developed into a venerating praise of Mary. Throughout his career, one finds Luther expressing the rich Christ-centered usage of Theotokos when discussing the incarnation. Luther was to call her “Mother of God, exalted above all mortals” (LW 21:308) because she was given the great gift of being mother to the Messiah; that is the sense in which Mary is honored. Luther is not honoring her or "devoting" himself to her because of some intrinsic quality she had. In fact, the very next sentence of the quote states, "Mary also freely ascribes all to God's grace, not her merit." He refers to those "scribblers" who make "much ado about her worthiness," "for never in all her life did she think to become the Mother of God." Mary had a specific unique role in history, an honorable role. Luther was absolutely correct to direct his readers to "ponder" the incarnation. Does the quote prove Luther's "strong devotion" to Mary? Hardly. The quote proves Luther's strong devotion and awe of the incarnation and the role Mary played in this divine miracle.
2) Mary was without sin
“God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.” (source)
The source provided is to a section of Wikipedia's article, Luther's Marian Theology. Wikipedia cites a comment Luther allegedly made in 1544 from, "Martin Luther, D. Martin Luthers Werke, Kritische Gesamtausgabe, 61 vols., (Weimar: Verlag Hermann Böhlaus Nochfolger, 1883-1983), 52:39 [hereinafter: WA]." WA 52:39 can be found here. Wikipedia is in error on the 1544 date. The quote is from 1532. Luther's view at this point was  not that Mary was immaculately conceived, but that at Christ's conception the Holy Spirit sanctified Mary so that the child would be born with non-sinful flesh and blood:
Adam and Eve were not born, but created. God made Adam out of the dust of the earth, and the woman of his rib. How much nearer is Christ to us than Eve to her husband Adam, since He is truly our flesh and blood. Such honor we should highly esteem and well take to heart, that the Son of God became flesh, and that there is no difference at all between His and our flesh, only that His flesh is without sin. For He was so conceived of the Holy Ghost, and God poured out so richly His Holy Spirit into the soul and body of the Virgin Mary that without any sin she conceived and bore our Lord Jesus. Aside from this, in all other respects, He was like other men; He ate, drank, was hungry, thirsty, cold like other men. Such and similar natural infirmities, which have descended upon us by reason of sin, He, who was without sin, bore and had like unto us, as St. Paul says: " He was made in the likeness of men, and found in fashion as a man." [source]
It's true that earlier in his life Luther appears to acknowledge the immaculate conception of Mary. However, such acknowledgement cannot be meaningfully supported in his later writings.  For more on Luther's view of Mary's immaculate conception see, Luther: the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin, and also this link, which goes into greater detail of the quote Wikipedia and Church POP used.
3) Mary was a perpetual virgin
“Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary’s virginal womb… This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. […] Christ… was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him.” (source; for more see this article)
Church Pop first cites a dead link. That link, when it was alive, was to "Martin Luther, Founder of the Reform, Speaks on Mary." The second link provided is to another Church POP entry which cites the same quote with the same dead link for documentation.  Notice how awkward the quote is. Luther appears to be repeating himself. The reason why is the source used presented two different quotes which Church Pop stuck together to make one quote!  These two quotes are from LW 22 separated by 192 pages:
Christ, our Savior, was the real and natural fruit of Mary's virginal womb . . . This was without the cooperation of a man, and she remained a virgin after that. {Luther's Works, eds. Jaroslav Pelikan (vols. 1-30) & Helmut T. Lehmann (vols. 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (vols. 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (vols. 31-55), 1955, v.22:23 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }
Christ . . . was the only Son of Mary, and the Virgin Mary bore no children besides Him . . . I am inclined to agree with those who declare that 'brothers' really mean 'cousins' here, for Holy Writ and the Jews always call cousins brothers.{Pelikan, ibid., v.22:214-15 / Sermons on John, chaps. 1-4 (1539) }
In the first quote, in context, Luther is defending the true humanity of Jesus, and mentions, merely in passing, that Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Christ. There is no exposition on why he believed this. In the second quote, whoever put it together used severe editing, leaving out multiple sentences (see my entry here). What Rome's defenders typically won't tell you is that despite accepting Mary's perpetual virginity,  he didn't do it to show "strong devotion" to Mary. In fact, he called those fixated on her virginity "stupid idolaters" who "practically make a false deity of her" by extolling her perpetual virginity (LW 45:205-206). In Luther's thinking, he accepted the argument that "brothers" means "cousins," and that Scripture doesn't say if Mary had other children after the birth of Christ.  Luther simply assumes the perpetual virginity of Mary. Why? This is a demonstration of what was mentioned previously:  the continuity Luther had with inherited theological tradition and the zeitgeist of his day.
4) On the veneration of Mary
“The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.” (source)
The source given is to another link entitled, Martin Luther (founder of the reform), speaks on Mary. This link is the result of years of cut-and-pastes of poorly documented Luther quotes that flooded the Internet years ago. This web-page documents the quote, "Sermon, September 1, 1522." This date is wrong, the sermon is from September 8, 1522. In context, Luther's point is that whatever respect Mary was due to her, the church of his day had collectively had gone far beyond it."The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart" is not a positive statement, but a negative statement. This sentence placed back in its context is in regard to excessive Marian devotion, a devotion so rooted in the human heart that "no one wants to hear any opposition to this celebration" of the feast of Mary's birth. Luther goes on to wish this festival day in regard to Mary should be forgotten,  "For there is nothing in the Scriptures about it [Mary's birth]." For a complete examination of this quote, see my link here.  
5) Mary is the mother of all Christians
“Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees… If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is, we ought also to be and all that he has ought to be ours, and his mother is also our mother.” (source)
This source given is also to the second,  Martin Luther (founder of the reform), speaks on Mary. The documentation provided is "Sermon, Christmas, 1529." The date for the sermon is actually 1522, not 1529.  The contexts can be found in LW 52:15-16 and LW 75:216. In those context there's nothing shocking or focused on Mary. Luther's point is that "Christ is born for you and his birth is yours." His birth is given to his people spiritually: "In this manner Christ takes to himself our birth and absorbs it in his birth; he presents us with his birth so that we become pure and new in it, as if it were our own, so that every Christian might rejoice in this birth of Christ and glory in it no less than if he, too, like Christ, had been born bodily of Mary" (LW 52: 15). "This is the great joy, of which the angel speaks, this is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that man (if he has this faith) may boast of such treasure as that Mary is his real mother, Christ his brother, and God his father" (LW 52:15).  "But see to it that you make his birth your own, and that you make an exchange with him, so that you rid yourself of your birth and receive, instead, his. This happens, if you have this faith. By this token you sit assuredly in the Virgin Mary’s lap and are her dear child. This faith you have to practice and to pray for as long as you live; you can never strengthen it enough. That is our foundation and our inheritance; on it the good works are to be built" (LW 52:16). Luther's emphasis is on the connection of the believer to Christ, not on Mary's spiritual maternity.
6) You can never honor Mary enough
[Mary is the] highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ… She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures.” (source)
This source given is also to the second,  Martin Luther (founder of the reform), speaks on Mary  The documentation provided is "Sermon, Christmas, 1531." It's possible though, the sermon is from 1532 (see my entry here).  In the versions of this sermon I checked, I was unable to verify the phrases, "wisdom and holiness personified" and "injure neither Christ nor the Scriptures." As with some of the other quotes above, whoever put this quote together used severe editing, leaving out multiple sentences. In context, notice the emphasis Luther puts on "praising" Mary. He says "we are to wean ourselves away from the mother":
Under the papacy only the mother has been praised and extolled. True it is, she is worthy of praise and can never be praised and extolled enough. For this honor is so great and wonderful, to be chosen before all women on earth to become the mother of this child. Nevertheless, We should not praise and extol the mother in such a way as to allow this child who has been born unto us to be removed from before our eyes and hearts and to think less highly of him than of the mother. If one praises the mother, the praise ought to be like the wide ocean. If either one is to be forgotten, it is better to forget the mother rather than the child. Under the papacy, however, the child has all but been forgotten, and attention riveted only on the mother. But the mother has not been born for our sakes; she does not save us from sin and death. She has, indeed, begotten the Savior! for this reason we are to wean ourselves away from the mother and bind ourselves firmly to this child alone!

Conclusion
We see above that Church POP's "6 Beautiful Quotes" are simply a sloppy, poorly documented, poorly researched, sometimes out-of-context, cut-and-paste. This is typical of Rome's apologists when it comes to Luther's theology of Mary. One of my favorite examples of Rome's use of Luther is those who claim Luther praised Mary and said she should be honored in his very last sermon at Wittenberg. The context though says the exact oppositeLuther mocks those who would call upon Mary or venerate her. Luther insists that those who seek Christ through Mary do so by the use of “reason,” and “reason is by nature a harmful whore.

How does one make sense of Luther's positive and negative comments about Mary and Marian devotion? Some of Rome's defenders harmonize Luther's confusing view by arguing he wasn't against Marian devotion and veneration, he was against the excesses and abuses of Marian devotion and veneration. Yes, there were serious problems with Marian theology in the 16th Century, and these problems helped fuel the Reformation. Luther certainly was reacting to the popular and accepted Marian piety of his day. But, one cannot appeal to the latest version of "proper" Roman Catholic Marian piety (whatever that is) and apply it as the doctrinal standard to a situation which existed hundreds of years ago. I've argued elsewhere that the entire 16th century Roman church had a generally accepted Marian piety which included both laymen and the theologically educated.  When Luther spoke against Marian devotion and veneration, he was speaking against the typical and accepted Marian piety of his day. 

Rome distinguishes between kinds of worship. Mary can receive the highest form of worship/veneration, hyperdulia, short of the worship of God. This type of worship is expressed in prayers, songs, ceremonies and pilgrimages. Luther though abandoned the distinction between latria, dulia, and hyper-dulia. When commenting on Deuteronomy 6:13, Luther referred to those who created the distinction as "sophists" (LW 9:71), calling the distinction useless.  If you search out Luther's use of the word “veneration,” you will find an entirely negative meaning applied to the term. In Roman Catholicism, veneration is symbiotically linked to mediation. In Luther's theology, having any other mediator besides Christ is idolatry. 

The crucial questions that need to be asked are: what exactly is Marian devotion and veneration? What does it mean for a Roman Catholic to be devoted to or venerate Mary, and what does it mean for Luther to be devoted to or venerate Mary? Saying nice things about Mary is not "devotion." It is not praying to Mary and asking for her intercession. What does it mean for Luther to "venerate" Mary? Saying nice things about Mary is not "veneration" in the Roman Catholic sense. Did Luther bow before image of Mary? Did Luther go on pilgrimages in the name of Mary?

One should challenge Rome's apologists to define their terms. They should to be able to tell you what Marian devotion is. They cannot be allowed to equivocate: Luther (or whomever) saying nice things about Mary does not equal Rome's version of devotion and veneration. I do not deny that Luther spoke favorably about Mary, but when Roman Catholics say "honor" or “devotion,” they mean something quite different than Luther.

In fairness to Rome, Protestants have often swung to the opposite extreme, barely considering the special role of Mary in God's redemptive purpose. Whatever you do, don't say anything too positive about Mary, or you'll be looked at with a suspicious eye! Perhaps this to avoid the appearance of Roman Catholicism. Perhaps. Perhaps its because there is not a great deal of information about Mary in the Scriptures. For what it's worth:  I think it is quite appropriate to speak favorably about the heroes of the faith, be they Mary, Paul, Peter, Noah, Moses, etc. Protestants, generally speaking, don't have any problem every October honoring the memory of Martin Luther. How much more appropriate then, to remember and honor the memory of the person who gave birth to the savior of the world?