Wednesday, February 01, 2017

James White vs. Trent Horn Debate, Part One

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Ken said...

part 2 is up also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhK0urKAyYw&feature=youtu.be

8:18 PM, February 01, 2017
Jeff D said...

"The Bible talks about people who walk away from the faith--make shipwreck of the faith--all the rest of these things. Why would I stand before you and take the crazy position that God does not fail to save his elect people? Becasue its what the Bible teaches."

Why would I take the crazy Lutheran position that God does not fail to save his elect people AND people walk away from the faith and make shipwreck of the faith? Because that is what the Bible teaches.

James White is a good speaker. But if I accepted the emphasis of his arguments, I would wind up believing in universal salvation, not Calvinism.

10:19 PM, February 20, 2017
James Swan said...

"Why would I take the crazy Lutheran position that God does not fail to save his elect people AND people walk away from the faith and make shipwreck of the faith? Because that is what the Bible teaches."

Hi Jeff,

I grant the point (I think you're making) that using the phrase, "that is what the Bible teaches" depends on one's interpretation of the Bible. I do not want to speak for Dr. White, but I assume he would qualify his statement by referring to the discipline of exegesis in regard to interpretation.

On the other hand, I have engaged a number of people in dialog (including, Roman Catholics, Reformed, Lutherans, cultists, etc.) that think merely citing a passage of scripture is akin to "that is what the Bible teaches."

James White is a good speaker. But if I accepted the emphasis of his arguments, I would wind up believing in universal salvation, not Calvinism.

Perhaps you would, others would not. There are a number of people that embrace Reformed soteriology that have avoided universalism. From my perspective, the question for you to ponder is, how is it, that Dr. White does not accept universalism? How is it that none of the major classical Reformed creeds and statements of faith embrace universalism?

11:33 AM, February 21, 2017

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