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Re: Protestant Canon
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Pope John Paul II exhorted his hearers one time to "meditate, in truth and Christian charity" on the Reformation period. This suggests to me that the same sort of allowances made for the theological errors of Erasmus and Cajetan could be extended to Luther on the extent of the canon. John Paul went on to say that the event of the Reformation can be "understood and represented better" when those of us in later centuries can look back and reflect on what happened What JonNC has been demonstrating is that if one takes the time to look at the actual historical situation of Luther's canon, he was certainly not alone. To allow Cajetan and Erasmus a free pass while condemning Luther on this issue could, in the minds of some people, demonstrate double standards or an underlying unjustified bias. "Where polemics have clouded the view, the direction of this view must be corrected and independently by one side or the other."- John Paul II on Luther and the Reformation |
Monday, January 13, 2014
Luther Throwing James in the Fire, the Canon, and Heresy
Further musing from the Catholic Answers Forum:
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In a conversation like this one (about Trent and so forth, not James) it is sometimes worth reminding people that recent Lutheran-Roman Catholic ecumenical agreements have specifically set aside any anathemas dating to the 16th century.
In other words, both churches have formally recognized that the state of theological discourse has moved on in the other, and that even if true at the time, the worst accusations we made about each other no longer apply.
The conservative Lutherans (Like the Missouri-Synod Lutheran Church) - the ones who still believe the Bible is inerrant and don't ordain women as pastors and don't ordain homosexuals - and hold to the gospel - did not sign the Joint declaration. The Missouri - Synod Lutheran church specifically objected (by the 9th meeting that they attended) to issues relating to grace and faith and the Roman Catholic Church did not invite them for further talks.
It was pretty much liberal Lutherans that signed that Joint declaration. Sad.
So Rome signed a Joint declaration with the Lutheran World Federation, and the US branch was a liberal Lutheran Church, that ordains homosexuals and women as pastors, does not believe in inerrancy, etc. - that says a lot about the Roman Catholic's involvement in that.
Third, the Edict of Worms was decreed by Charles V deeming Luther a heretic, but to my knowledge, the statements of Charles V are not considered infallible by the Catholic church.
But was that not John Eck and other official Roman Catholic prelates, etc. that were influencing Charles V ?? at the Worms trial
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