My last correspondence with Sungenis was some years ago when he wrote to me to complain about something -- don't recall the issue.
I told him he was talented and bright but was going off the deep end and becoming irrelevant at best. I told him he should be cautious and humble, there was a biblical principle that a prophet should be subject to the prophets; in other words, a teacher should be willing to listen to other teachers ( I referred to Akin, you, XXXXXXXX, Brumley, Madrid, the bishops, etc.).
He said, "Your prophets are not mine!" I told him he was "nut."
He said, "Stop calling me a nut! Don't call me a nut just because you disagree with me."
I replied, "I don't call you a nut because I disagree with you. I called you a nut because you are a nut."
It was our last correspondence.
Saturday, July 09, 2011
Sungenis via Steve Ray
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Funny!
You likely are aware of this
I, being an independent Catholic theologian, am able to penetrate a little more deeply and be much more critical, as I have always done in this apostolate. Although some still regard me as a "Catholic apologist," unlike Jimmy Akin and Catholic Answers I no longer consider myself an apologist for the modern Catholic Church. When compared to the Catholic Church of tradition, I have resolved that the modern Catholic Church will be required to stand on its own, for I simply cannot defend it any longer. There are simply too many doctrinal aberrations and moral laxities in today's Catholic Church that are indefensible.
In light of these problems, I have assumed what I believe is the more appropriate position - that of being a prophet of warning rather than one an apologist seeking to exonerate the Church from false accusations. Today many accusations against the Church are quite legitimate and I certainly will not be a party to sweeping them under the rug. Hence, I presently take my model from that of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel and all the other prophets who spoke out against similar doctrinal aberrations and moral laxities that occurred in Israel before God finally judged them. I believe that if the modern Catholic Church stays on the course it has chosen, it also will be judged by God as Israel was, and, in fact, it is already being judged as we have seen the deterioration in the Church for the last few decades.
I'm sorry to have to say this, but from all my knowledge and experience, I would have to say that the last few pontificates have been an almost total disaster for the Catholic Church, especially the pontificate of John Paul II. - http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4581
You likely are aware of this...
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4581
Yes, I'm aware of it because I posted that from Sungenis on the aomin blog, but thanks for the reminder-
I'm sorry to have to say this, but from all my knowledge and experience, I would have to say that the last few pontificates have been an almost total disaster for the Catholic Church, especially the pontificate of John Paul II. - http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=4581
Does that imply something less than papal infallibility?
Isnt that a self-excomunicating belief/event?
I posted that from Sungenis on the aomin blog...
This in addition:
http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2011/04/sungenis-alone.html
Does that imply something less than papal infallibility?
They will respond that as with Caiaphas, God can use even evil men to speak His truth, which is true. But in the New Covenant church, only true born again souls are really members, and qualify as leaders, and some of Rome pope in her already problematic "unbroken succession" would not qualify as members, let alone successors to Peter.
But in Rome's divisions, one side invokes Cum Ex Apostolatus Officio (http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/Articles/john_salza.php) while on the other side,
"Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom." St. Catherine of Siena, SCS, p. 201-202, p. 222, (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by sedevacantist Michael Malone, Book 5: "The Book of Obedience", Chapter 1: "There is No Salvation Without Personal Submission to the Pope")
It is error to believe that, "if the Pope were a reprobate and an evil man and consequently a member of the devil, he has no power over the faithful." - Council of Constance, Condemnation of Errors, against Wycliffe, Session VIII, and Hus: Session XV; DNZ:621, 617, 588)
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"But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat...Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. " (1 Corinthians 5:11,13)
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