“Ok, I really don't want to start a debate or anything, just an answer and I'll return to my supposedly “evil” catholic ways. If everything is completely predestined then after one is "saved" what is the purpose of asking God for something in prayer? If everything is predestined should God not already know our need and whims? Another question...why the creation of evil, or the need for a final battle?”
Now I love questions like these, whether they come via cyberspace, from a coworker, or a relative. These are opportunities not only to answer with kindness, but also to point to answers found in the Bible rather than in the teaching magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church. With Roman Catholics, the emphasis in the discussion should gravitate on the ultimate authority of Scripture. A Roman Catholic believes that God has spoken in the Bible, so the answers should provoke them to read the Bible.
Church history is replete with debate over predestination and God's sovereignty. Think of it this way: great struggles with particular aspects of the Christian faith are well worth the effort. Sometimes we need to wrestle with God.
You ask, “If everything is completely predestined then after one is "saved" what is the purpose of asking God for something in prayer?” The first and foremost reason a Christian must pray is the Bible commands us to do so. 1 Thessalonians 5:17


You ask, “If everything is predestined should God not already know our need and whims?” Indeed, God does know everything; even Roman Catholic theology admits this. God, because He is omniscient, must know everything. If He didn't, He wouldn't be God. Remember what the Lord Jesus said in Matthew 6:8

You ask, “why the creation of evil, or the need for a final battle?” Again, there is deep mystery in the existence of evil. There is no totally satisfactory answer this side of heaven that explains completely how a sovereign all-good God and evil both exist. But we do have some knowledge revealed to us from the pages of the Bible that explain the existence of evil. We know, that ultimately all of reality and the universe culminate in God's glory as Revelation 22 describes. Romans 8:28


Well, how did this Catholic respond? She stated, “Thank you for the responses, they cleared some things up, I am very surprised at the kindness, I am very curious about Calvinism but I usually am met with anger and rudeness, this was a nice change.”
It is possible to tell people the truth in love. My prayer for this woman is that the answers provoke her to search the pages of Scripture rather than the official teachings of the Roman Catholic Church. These answers only scratch the surface, highlighting my own “wrestling” with the Bible. I am Calvinist because of the Biblical text: It says what it says. I may not understand all of the Biblical mysteries totally, but to be obedient to God I believe what is revealed. I respect anyone who grapples with these types of questions. I have had many friends who have hated the type of answers I gave, only to hear them tell me years later that what they once hated became the sweetest of all comfort.
4 comments:
Hi Frank-
I would much rather respond to comments directed at what I wrote in the blog entry. While the subjects you raise are worthy of discussion, I don't see how they are relevant to the simple issues I raised about prayer, sovereignty, and the problem of evil.
I have writings i've done on predestination and the atonement, and also the assurance of salvation for a believer. I guess i should post them. The reason i haven't, is becauseis years back i spent a lot of time dialoging on these subjects- I came to one conclusion: I don't find get any pleasure in debating such subjects as the extent of the atonement or the problem of predestination.
That being said, I find myself usually in ironic situation with Lutherans on this topic: I'm the one who doesn't want to probe the secret council of the hidden God.
Hi Frank-
I was responding, not initiating anything. Your comment that the topic in this blog was “prayer, sovereignty, and the problem of evi” is not true. You wrote extensively on the topic of predestination and the sovereignty of God, two key areas of Calvinist doctrine.
The topic was the relationship between sovereignty and prayer, and a brief look at the problem of evil.
For your curiousity, I'm going to put up a blog post on Double Predestination. I seem to be having massive computer problems (It took me almost an hour to get this very blog page to load).
Blessings,
James
Frank- Insightful- thanks
Wow.
I enjoyed reading this. Thanks a lot.
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