Saturday, May 26, 2007

Art Sippo Comments “Edited by - Patti on 05/26/2007 06:12:31 AM”

Catholic apologist Art Sippo must have said something not so nice in his recent rant about me over on the Envoy forum. Well, whatever it was, Patti, an Envoy moderator, did the right thing and helped Art not embarrass Envoy and Catholic apologists.

In this recent rant, Sippo is rehashing material from our dialog on Luther biographies:

“First of all, I support the ban on Mr. Swan. He is arrogant and no friend of the truth. he acted quite poorly on this board and has some nerve complaining about my "vitriol." His idea of a "Catholic theologian with a positive assessment of Luther" was Fr. Josef Lortz, who had been a card carrying Nazi before and during WWII. Fr. Lortz was a big fan of Hitler's book Mein Kampf and saw the Third Reich as a chance to get the Church "back on track" with its historical agenda which had been derailed by all those Roman policies since the 13th Century.”

Well Art, anyone interested can read that discussion and see if I was arrogant, no friend of the truth, and acting poorly. In regard to Luther and his Catholic biographer Joseph Lortz, you can read my perspective on this here:

Catholic Apologist Art Sippo on Catholic Historian Joseph Lortz

Also, if one wants a Catholic apologists' perspective on my Envoy discussion with Dr. Sippo, take a look at this:

How Do Catholic Apologists feel about Art Sippo?


Ric said...

As I've stated before, Art is more concerned with advancing Roman Catholicism than advancing truth.
I replied to his "Protestant Pickle" here on 02/14/2007 11:47 PM EST:
And still no response.

Churchmouse said...

Actually, I disagree with you on this, Ric. Sippo is more concerned with advancing "Art Sippo" then he is the truth, however relative it may be. I think he views himself as a legitimate Catholic apologist. His psychosis has him blind to the transference he imposes on his opponents, speaking of the lack of charity, arrogance, etc. but unaware of the vitriolic rabidity he conveys with every "response" he gives. I think he loves the attention, but doesn't realize the low view Protestants have of him, that being if Protestants are aware of him at all.


Ric said...

Ray, you may be 100% correct!

James Swan said...

There really is a thing that troubles me about Art Sippo, and it really isn't about Art Sippo. I can't figure out why people like Michuta, Betts, Madrid, and a host of other seemingly rational human beings in Catholic apologetics take him seriously, and don't try to distance themselves from him.

The only answer I can come up with, is maybe inwardly they have the same anger and hatred that Sippo has, but are not brave enough to really speak their minds. I hope I'm wrong, but until someone can explain to me why Sippo's behavior is given a wink, I'm going with this theory.

Ric said...

Maybe that is the reason why other Roman Catholic apologists don't distance themselves from Art Sippo. Inner hate can make oneself overlook someone's trash talk for their given agenda.

Churchmouse said...


The fact that they can take him with any seriousness reflects on their own apologetic integrity. I do agree that Sippo is the "Mr. Hyde" within these men. They would do a world of good to their credibility just by disassociating themselves from someone so toxic.