Here's a Luther related discussion maybe someone can help with. I'm interested in finding out which Luther documents Hitler quoted.
On the CARM history board, a recent topic delved into Christians in Hitler's Germany. Of course, you guessed it, Luther's comments about the Jews came up, and here are few excerpts:
Since the OP deals with Christians, Hitler, and Germany, I thought I'd ask you whether you considered Martin Luther a true Christian. His writings were a favorite of Hitler, and inspiration in his crusade of persecution against Jews in particular. Anti-semitism is sad.
"Favorite of Hitler" is a bit unfair. Anything that could be used against the Jews by Hitler was "favorite." Hitler wasn't at all following Luther's theology, or a supporter of Luther's theology.
Its no wonder Hitler liked many of Martin Luther's writings some sound like they were written for Hitler himself.
Just curious, in your studies, which writings of Luther did Hitler like? If so, where is this documentation found, and did Hitler use any of the quotes you provided?
Where did I state that I had studied which sayings of Luther Hitler liked? I assumed the poster above me had a point that Hitler must have liked much of what Luther wrote about the Jews because much of what Luther accused the jews of Hitler did too...for example it is historic fact that Hitler wanted to remove the Jews from Germany ..he originally wanted to send them all to Palestine but because of the British and Arab resistance he failed to do this, and that is why he came up with the final solution to the Jewish question .......... Luther wanted the Jews gone too.... or so his writings would strongly suggest....but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
So when you stated, "Its no wonder Hitler liked many of Martin Luther's writings some sound like they were written for Hitler himself" you really don't know which of Luther's writings Hitler liked, read, or cited in his writings.
Then a bunch of comments from Luther's "On The Jews and Their Lies" was posted with this comment:
You [you'all] decide.
What's the issue to be decided on? There's no denying Luther later in life said some terrible things about the Jews. Do you have some actual issue to decide on?
A Messianic Jew I know calls Luther the "Theologian of the Holocaust."
If that's the "issue" to be decided on, your Messianic friend needs to do a better job with history.
I see many parallells between what Hitler said and did to the Jews with the opinions Luther expressed in his writings...I don't need a written confession from Hitler confirming his liking or disliking of Luther's writings...his acts and words are confirmation enough for me...
So which "act" do you mean?
The systematic ejection of Jews from the Father land is one action I can think of but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!-Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)
The Jews in Saxony had been driven out of the area by the decree of John Frederick, some years before Luther wrote "On the Jews and Their Lies." To my knowledge, no one "acted" on Luther's words. If you know of some ruler in the 16th century who followed Luther's advice, I'd be interested in knowing who it was. John Frederick had a new mandate in 1543- though severe toward the Jews, it wasn't the result of Luther's writings, if I recall correctly. In 1546, Jews were still living unmolested in the Mansfeld area.
In fact, most of Luther’s proposals in On The Jews and Their Lies are paralleled in the other anti-Jewish literature of the period. Luther was just one voice among a choir of people against the Jews. Luther's writings though against the Jews, were not followed:
The question of Protestant acceptance or rejection of Luther's writings on the Jews is focused on his late, hate-filled polemics. Oberman has pointed out that Luther's close associate, Philipp Melanchthon, ‘was just as unhappy over the harsh writings on the Jews of the late Luther as were some of the leading city reformers.’ The Nuremberg Reformer and disciple of Luther, Osiander... wrote an anonymous apology for Luther's polemics. And Luther's lifelong colleague Justus Jonas used his role as Latin translator of Luther's writings against the Jews to do ‘his utmost to offset Luther's exasperated disenchantment with the mission to the Jews and in the process manages to draw an entirely novel and positive picture of them.’ This selective rejection of Luther is evident in the refusal of evangelical political authorities to follow through on Luther's recommendations. Because Luther was such an authority figure for Lutherans, it is striking that in 1611 when the Lutheran city of Hamburg asked the theological faculties of Jena and Frankfurt an der Oder whether the Jews fleeing from Portugal should have the right to remain in the city, both faculties answered in the affirmative. The Jena opinion self-consciously chose Luther's early, tolerant opinions over his later, intolerant ones. More important for future developments was the fact that Luther's portrayals and recommendations were not incorporated into the Lutheran confessional writings and Lutheran devotional literature. ‘For the decades after Luther's death all the evidence seems to support Lewin's thesis that Luther's late works on the Jews failed to achieve their intended effect’”[Carter Lindberg, “Tainted Greatness: Luther’s Attitudes Toward Judaism and Their Historical Reception,” in Nancy A Harrowitz (ed.), Tainted Greatness: Antisemitism and Cultural Heroes (Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1994), 23].
Again, which "act" do you mean?
Would this be the same John of Saxony who was influenced greatly by his personal relationship with Martin Luther and his writings?
It would be your historical responsibility to prove any of John's actions toward the Jews were the result of Luther's influence.