Friday, February 12, 2010

Steve Ray Sells Luther?

Here's an irony that TurretinFan and I put together. Steve Ray was selling the Collected Works of Martin Luther on his website, I kid you not. I suggested a few days ago perhaps Steve Ray buy this product from himself and at least cite Luther accurately. Tfan added, "It's amusing the Leo X tried to stop Luther's work from being sold and Steve Ray actively promotes it - yet claims to be on the "same side" as Leo X."

Lo and behold.... now Steve Ray isn't selling it anymore, unless I've got my URL's wrong, or he moved it around. See for yourself:

Whoops, our bad....The page you requested was not found, and we have a fine
guess why.
•If you typed the URL directly, please make sure the spelling is
•If you clicked on a link to get here, the link is outdated.
What can you do?Have no fear, help is near! There are many ways you can get
back on track.•Go back to the previous page.•Use the search bar at the top of
the page to search for your products.•Follow these links to get you back on

Was this just a coincidence? I think not. It appears while traveling the world, Mr. Ray had a sudden change of heart about selling the works of Martin Luther. Luther's Works was also removed from his page of software for sale. Also the store search page returned no hits for "Luther".

Thanks for reading Beggars All: Reformation and Apologetics, Mr. Ray.


Carrie said...

The Google cache still shows the page, so it wasn't your imagination.

Alex said...

Who really cares?

James Swan said...

Alex, I find it quite amusing.

Alex said...

It's Steve Ray. Again, who really cares?

I guess I'm just not a part of the Catholic pop apologists. I too have been banned about three or four years ago from Madrid's site.

I could really care less about Shea, Madrid, Ray and friends.

EA said...


To my mind the humorous / ironic implications of this are that Luther's works are on the one hand, reviled by historical Papal / Conciliar proclamation, yet on the other hand, have in the last century or so been the subject of genial review by Catholic theologians.

This set of contradictory facts begs the question; "where does Luther stand officially with respect to Catholic theology?".

Has Luther's theology been condemned or not? If it has in part been condemned, which parts specifically are condemned? But more to the point, where can I as a layman access a dogmatic pronouncement of which specific parts of Luther's theology are out of bounds? Pope Leo X's Bull declared Luther a heretic. How can I as a layman distinguish between the heretical theology of Luther and that which is permissable to hold as true? This seems as though I must rely on personal interpretation. Am I mistaken?