Saturday, December 12, 2009
Trip Details: Madrid Pilgrimage (Updated)
I'm planning a short trip to Madrid on Saturday. I'm about 65% sure I'm going. It should be very interesting.
Update: I'm headed out the door for my pilgrimage... It should knock plenty of years off my stay in purgatory by visiting the Madrid Oracle...
So, yes I did go to see Roman Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid. I only had a small window of opportunity to hear him speak. I chose the 2:15- 4:00 P.M. session, "Where is That in the Bible?"
The church was easy enough to locate, though they had no sign as to the event. They didn't even let you know which door to go in. The lecture was held in what appeared to be the basement hall of the church, and it was a nondescript side door that one entered by. We entered to an almost empty room about 10 minutes before the start, leaving one with the "Is this the place?" quizzical lost look.... nothing like being not only the only Protestants, but the only people present. The room was very cold. My wife ended up with her gloves on about 20 minutes in. I would guess there were around fifty people there once everyone showed up. Many (if not most) were 20-40, with a toddler or two running around. I appeared to be the only one with a Bible.
The lecture turned out to not be "Where is That in the Bible." Instead, the lecture was "Is everything up for grabs? A Catholic critique of moral relativism." They must've decided to chang the schedule for some reason. This was quite a disappointment for me, as I've read Patrick's book "Where is that in the Bible", and obviously, the subject matter of the regularly scheduled lecture interested me me more. I thought of simply leaving to find a nice restaurant.
But I stuck it out. In terms of speaking ability, Madrid (from where I was sitting) appeared not to use notes, spoke clearly, without any "um's...". In other words, in terms of speaking ability, he has mastered his craft.
As to the lecture itself, he began with a story that I've heard him tell before. He told the story that had nothing really to do with the subject. He told the story of the couple who came to see him debate in which the wife was Protestant and the husband Catholic. The debate was the straw that turned the wife to Romanism. If I recall from other broadcasts, it was his debate with Dr. White on sola scriptura. Here's a clip from today's lecture of this story. Ah yes, these are the stories to rally the troops by! I would love to get a hold of that couple and sit down and re-listen to the debate. Dr. White went through it again last year as well, and Madrid did not do as well as he claims. In fact, he lost that debate.
As to the meat of the lecture, there wasn't a lot I disagreed with Madrid on. In fact, other than a few isolated points, one would be hard pressed to even identify the lecture as Roman Catholic. In fact, one of the main sources that appears to have inspired Madrid's lecture was a Protestant book on relativism which he quoted.
My wife asked me if I was going to introduce myself to Madrid. I decided not to. Had the lecture been on "Where's That in the Bible" and I had a chance to get a question in, then perhaps I would've said hello afterward. I hold no animosity toward Mr. Madrid personally. I am though, committed to the Gospel, and will continue to critique his arguments as I come across them.