Wednesday, August 08, 2007

Gerry Matatics Interview

Iron Sharpens Iron will have Catholic apologist Gerry Matatics on today at 3PM. This is a live show, so if you want to call in and talk to Gerry, here is your chance (I won't be able to listen live or call in, but if I could call in, I'd ask Gerry where the tapes are he promised to send me last year when I went to his lecture). The station is AM 1440, and can only be heard on Long Island, other parts of NYC, and Connecticut. Fortunately, this radio station also live-streams online. Their webpage can be found here. Their Real Player broadcast link is here.

"GERRY MATATICS, the very first minister ordained in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) to convert to Roman Catholicism (see, who at one time was one of the most highly sought after apologists, debaters and conference speakers within "mainstream", conservative Roman Catholicism (having worked along side such renowned Catholic apologists as Scott Hahn, and other well known apologists affiliated with Catholic Answers), will address his most recently embraced theological position "SEDEVACANTISM": the theology of a sector within "Traditional" Catholicism that claims THERE HAVE BEEN *NO* LEGITIMATE POPES FOR OVER 40 YEARS TO THE PRESENT (and that all those who have claimed to be within the Papal Succession of Pope Pius XII to the present are not even to be considered genuine Roman Catholics). Mr. Matatics, along with other "sedevacantists", also reject all those professing to be priests ordained since Vatican II as *illegitimate* priests and *false* Catholics with no genuine power or authority to administer the Sacraments of the "true" Catholic Church. Those who may be most well known today connected with this extremely controversial movement are Academy Award winner Mel Gibson and his father Hutton. Gerry Matatics is also featured as a commentating theologian on the DVD for Mel Gibson's blockbuster film "The Passion of the Christ, Director's Cut"."

Don't forget also, tomorrow's show will be a review of this interview by Dr. James White:

"DR. JAMES R. WHITE, renowned author, Bible scholar, debater and Founder & Director of Alpha & Omega Ministries (see, a theologically Reformed, Evangelical Protestant apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona, will conduct a "REVIEW OF WEDNESDAY'S INTERVIEW WITH GERRY MATATICS" (see above). Dr. White is perfectly suited to provide commentary due to the fact that he debated Gerry Matatics on the subject of the Papacy in Denver during "World Youth Day" in 1993 (he had previously debated him on the subject in 1990 in Tempe, a debate moderated by Scott Hahn). According to Dr. White, it remains one of the clearest refutations of Rome's claims to papal primacy offered by Alpha & Omega Ministries. A full seven hours worth of debate (real debate, not radio programs with callers, commercials, and the like, debate---the real thing) during which Mr. Matatics defended the very institution he *now* claims is in apostasy. For those interested, I would direct anyone to every single one of the debates Dr. White has done on the Papacy in general, and papal infallibility in particular, which includes debates against Catholic apologists Gerry Matatics, Robert Sungenis, Tim Staples, and Mitch Pacwa, offered at Gerry Matatics has agreed to have some interaction with Dr. White during this extremely controversial, live broadcast."

The first show can be found here. An MP3 of the followup show with Dr. White can be found here. On the first broadcast, my good friend Churchmouse made it on to the air as a caller. When I get a chance, I'm going to find that call and post it as a separate MP3 file.


Kepha said...


Missed the radio show. Will it be available in MP3?

Churchmouse said...

If anyone did create an mp3, that's me who calls towards the end of the show asking Gerry about his infallible certitude that Rome is THAT church. I got a free leatherbound NASB Bible just for being a first-time caller. That's a sweet deal.


Rhology said...

Wow, Churchmouse - that's sweet!. Make sure to tell us if you really can hear it mooing.

Here's the link to the show.