Jae, occasional RC commenter,
said on CatholicNick's blog:
Rho,
You keep harping about the total insignificance of the Apostolic Tradition/Teaching which is so irrelevant and not even related to the Bereans in Acts 17:1-12 teaching "Sola Scriptura".
Let's get real again, afterwards few questions. Your church (I guess Reformed) in the 30's was one who agreed, actually ALL christian churches that artificial contraception is against the Will of God - what happened since the Anglican Lambeth conference 80 years ago? Does your Church TEACH what is otherwise FALSE? What happened to Unchangeability of Truth? These are real hard facts, that most if not all protestant churches (in their assertion to each his own) have followed historically the footsteps of Anglicanism. (google Humanae Vitae).
How about gay-marriage? Many evangelical churches had already succumbed, again history is repeating itself....one by one.
Without the Apostolic Teaching which Christ ordained and founded upon His Apostles and successors that are BINDING to Christians without which we are lost. That is a fact! Now if you think otherwise that it is Biblically ok (the use of contraception) then from what authority do you say so?
Jae,
the total insignificance of the Apostolic Tradition/Teaching which is so irrelevant
Where have I "harped on" that? Or even said anythg of the kind?
Rather, I've merely asked you and all other RCs and EOx to
prove that what you
claim is Apostolic Tradition really is Apostolic Tradition. The way Jesus told us to examine such things to find out is to examine them in light of Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), and the Bereans here in Acts 17 follow that example.
When I ask you to prove that your alleged ApTrad actually came from the apostles, you retreat to "we're the church founded by Christ!" and "we have bishops going back to Peter!" and other irrelevancies. Try actually answering the challenge sometime. It'd be a refreshing change.
what happened since the Anglican Lambeth conference 80 years ago?
A better question is: Why should I care?
What happened to Unchangeability of Truth?
What happened to judging Truth by what God has said, rather than what people think and agree on?
How about gay-marriage? Many evangelical churches had already succumbed
Oh, so other churches' succumbing means that I am wrong for holding to Sola Scriptura. All you need is a connecting argument!
Now if you think otherwise that it is Biblically ok (the use of contraception) then from what authority do you say so?
If you insist on your bizarre and questionably-healthy obsession with opposing contraception loudly and openly all the time, fine - show me in the Bible where Jesus or the apostles gave us commands with respect to never using contraception. Don't show me psgs where we're commanded not to murder people - I absolutely oppose abortion, RU486 and other morning-after pills, birth control pills of all kinds (since all contain an abortifacient functionality), and other abortifacient methodologies. Don't quote the psg about Onan, since his problem was clearly that he refused to provide offspring for his brother. I don't see a biblical problem with barrier methods. Prove me wrong, if you (notice,
you brought it up, not me) insist on talking contraception.
Also, for purposes of instruction, show me Apostolic Tradition opposed to barrier methods of contraception. Do not quote it unless you prove that it came from an apostle, and describe specifically how you know it came from an apostle, and which one, and whether this is just your private opinion or whether this has been infallibly stated by the RCC; if the latter, state where and when and how you know it was infallible. Thanks!
(PS -
It should go without saying, but I would like to iterate clearly that I speak only for myself in this post; opinions I express are not necessarily those of anyone else on the highly-paid and highly-trained Beggars All team.)
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