This picture was taken from a private Facebook Group named, Sola Scriptura: A Foundation of Sand. The Roman Catholic who posted it said Luther admitted and sought to justify "his lack of sexual restraint and sin" and that "Luther was a prideful mentally-emotionally disturbed apostate."
While this quote has been covered here in-depth before, it appears to be popular on social media with people unable to approach history with integrity or lack the simple desire (or ability!) to do a basic web-search.
Here is a simple method of response.
1. The documentation is partly erroneous. The quote is said to be on page 33 of Martin Luthers Werke, kritische Gesamtausgabe, vol. 2. It is not. It's on page 107 of WA TR 2. Also, ask anyone using this documentation who the English translator was or where the English translation presented in this picture actually comes from. The English translation being utilized is not from Luther's Works, American Edition, Volume 54, p. 154.
2. This is not something Luther is known to have actually written. It is from a collection of secondhand comments written down by Luther's friends and students, published after his death, known in English as The Table Talk.
3. There are multiple versions of Table Talk statements varying in reliability. That reliability is determined, in part, on how many people recorded the statement. This particular statement was recorded by only one person (a person little is known about). The extant manuscript version is a handwritten copy made sometime between 1551 and 1557 of the missing original. Keep in mind, the original statement is alleged to have been uttered between 1531-1532.
4. This particular Table Talk utterance was not available for roughly 350 years until it was published in 1888. It contains textual anomalies in which what was written originally must be conjectured. In the Weimar edition of Luther's writings, a footnote is included noting the text is unclear and is a probable reading.
5. If the statement is a rendering of what Luther said, there is no context for the remark. There is no meaningful historical or textual context to determine what Luther meant: Was he jesting? Was he summarizing someone else's argument? Was he using hyperbole? Was he making a point to correspond to some aspect of his theology?
6. There have been efforts to harmonize the statement with Luther's actual written corpus. LW 54 suggests the comment can be harmonized with Luther's sermon from 1536 in which he asserted that "Christ was reproached by the world as a glutton, a winebibber, and even an adulterer" (LW 54:154, fn. 100). Lutheran theologian Arthur Carl Piepkorn compares the statement to Luther's theological motif that Christ became sin for us.
7. There is ample meaningful textual evidence Luther held to the divinity of Christ. If Roman Catholics are using this context-less quote, remind them of Luther's repeatedly referring to Mary as "the mother of God." See also Lutheran theologian Arthur Carl Piepkorn's article documenting Luther's adherence to the divinity of Christ as well as the perfect humanity of Jesus and his sinlessness. If Luther really believed that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, committed sin, the burden of historical proof is on those making the charge.
Conclusion
Consider what Rome's defenders are asking you to believe with this quote: a verbal statement from Luther scribbled down on a piece of paper sometime between 1531 - 1532 (by a person not much is known about), an outrageous statement lacking a context, which then lay dormant in a handwritten notebook until at least 1551 or 1557, then copied by one person, then not published until approximately 350 years later, and then when it was published it is not certain what the text actually originally said... trumps all of Luther's actual verifiable writings on the nature and person of Jesus Christ... and proves Luther held that Christ committed adultery.
Unfortunately, it's quite possible none of these historical seven points will have any effect on someone using this quote to denigrate either Luther or the Reformation. For their talk about going "deep into history," some of Rome's defenders have little interest in actually doing the hard work involved with accurately and fairly studying history. The ironic aspect of this, in my opinion, is there's plenty of Luther quotes available to scrutinize that can be attributed to Luther without question. If someone is going to beat up Luther, why not use something with a better pedigree? Why resort to a second-hand comment with poor historical documentation?
Addendum
I did interact with the defender of Rome on Facebook that posted this quote. Along with getting his personal conversion story, here were some of his responses:
"... it is eye witness Testimonies of friends, students and contemporaries.....as valid as the eye witness testimonies of the Apostles etc!!!"
"yep.....dismiss eye witness testimonies of those at his table who wrote it diwn and later published it....dismiss eye witnesses of Christ as well. So I guess his eye witnesses (Lutheran Family, Friends and Students at his Table Talks are all Liars) who took notes and spoke first hand with him in private are decievers who published garbage about him....OK....BS."
"Modern Conservative Lutherans know they can't change the 16th century printed eye witness testimonies of his co-religious contemporaries so they have in the 20th century tried to rehabilitate their blessed Apostle and Prophet Founder..."
"You choke, balk and dismiss. Too funny. You got nothing."
" You love the Bible and Calvin's Systematic Theology and Studies as your guide to understand that very Bible......You have your own dead 16th Century Geneva Jack Chick as your spirit Guide...not the Bible Alone. I hope you use the Geneva Bible too.."
7 comments:
Was there a third point that you had, or is it just a typo?
Typo!Thanks!
Jesus Christ never sinned, and I seriously doubt Luther ever claimed otherwise (contextless quotes of dubious provenance notwithstanding). Luther faithfully preached God's Word, which is why his detractors hate him. Christ's rebuke of the Jews in John 8:43-47 seems an appropriate rebuke to direct at Luther's detractors as well, though with the obvious difference that Luther is not the sinless Son of God.
"Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God." John 8:43-47
Jesus Christ never sinned, and I seriously doubt Luther ever claimed otherwise (contextless quotes of dubious provenance notwithstanding)
Indeed. I made that point in my blog entry as well about Luther's verifiable written statements.
The older I get, the more and more I realize we tend to attribute the worst motives or ideals to people we do not like on an emotional level. Some of Rome's defenders seem to think Luther is responsible for all the evil in the world... similar to the way there are some Protestants that think the same thing about the Roman church.
In regard to the verses you posted, the defenders of Rome I interacted with on FB over this quote don't even realize they're putting forth lies. It could very well be they cannot hear that what they say is false because of the state of their heart. Or: it could be they're just simple minded and ignorant. For the former, no amount of historical data can penetrate that inner wall. For the later... well... I don't have the patience to spoon feed them.
Dear Brother James Swan, there's a catholic work from Fr. Ricardo Garcia Villoslada, named Martin Luther, Tome II, page 256 where there says:
“It is utterly absurd to think that Luther called Christ an adulterer. It alludes to the murmurings of the Jews against Jesus. If the text does not appear clear, it is because Schlagenhaufen (one of those who noted the table conversations with Luther) carelessly omitted some explanatory words, e.g., "adulter coram mundo", which we find in an almost parallel place. Preaching on the Magdalene in 1536, he said: "Et dicunt eum diabolum ... Filius hominis est ein Seuffer, helt zu Buben und Huren ... Iohannes coram mundo Seuffer und Huren" (WA 41, 647). What Luther therefore said was, that Christ appeared before the world to be an adulterer, because they murmured at him when they saw him with the Samaritan woman and other sinners.”
there's a catholic work from Fr. Ricardo Garcia Villoslada, named Martin Luther
Thanks for the comment. I don't recall that Roman Catholic author, but I appreciate that he recognizes that attributing the worst to Luther over the quote is "utterly absurd."
He also pointed out the same thing I did: that there are textual issues and that the nearest parallel to Luther's possible meaning is a 1536 sermon. I would only disagree with him that the 1536 sermon is the definitive explanation as to what Luther meant. Paralleling the 1536 sermon is only a possible answer, not a definitive answer.
Thanks again for the comment.
Ricardo Garcia Villoslada, named Martin Luther, Tome II, page 256 where there says
From a quick search, I located the text on page 251, not 256. It's possible there are different editions:
https://archive.org/details/martin-lutero-ricardo-garcia-villoslada-tomo-1/Martin%20Lutero%2C%20En%20Lucha%20contra%20Roma%20-%20Ricardo%20Garcia-Villoslada%20%5BTomo%20II%5D/page/251/mode/1up?q=magda&view=theater
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