
"I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted . . . It is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better." (Letter to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519)
This Luther quote is found in the web article, "The Orthodox vs the Heterodox Luther," as well as on many web pages. I came across it recently being quoted with a fuller context from a Catholic defending Steve Ray. Steve Ray has cited it as follows:
“I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity. . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.” Martin Luther to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519 more than a year after the Ninety-Five Theses quoted in The Facts about Luther, 356.
This alleged letter from Luther to Pope Leo January 6, 1519 was never sent. The letter written that day was the result of Luther’s meeting with the Papal nuncio Miltitz. Miltitz was somewhat attempting to reconcile Luther with the Pope. He spoke of how favorably the pope felt toward Luther, and how angry he was with Tetzel. He attempted to make this deal with Luther: Luther would cease with his part of this controversy- and he promised those who opposed Luther would also be silent. He also requested Luther write a letter to the pope. Heinrich Boehmer notes Miltitz specifically requested that Luther’s letter contain a confession-
“…that [Luther] had been too vehement and sharp although he had never thought of injuring the Roman Church, but was aiming only at the disgraceful preaching [of indulgences]…he would have a note sent out, exhorting everyone to be obedient to the Roman Church and also confessing that he had expressed the truth in an all too heated and, perhaps untimely fashion….The letter [was to] close with the characteristic words: ‘I am willing to do anything, provided I am not made to renounce anything more, for nothing will come of the recantation.’” Source: Heinrich Boehmer, Road To Reformation (Philadelphia: Muhlenberg Press, 1946), 254.
Boehmer notes the letter was written and presented to Miltitz, but Luther “absolutely refused to recant.” Miltitz then dropped the whole idea of the letter. Luther was under the impression that Miltitz would set up a meeting in which a learned bishop would evaluate Luther’s points. Luther writing to elector Frederic says, “Miltitz will write the Pope at once, informing him how things stand, and asking him to recommend the matter to some learned bishop, who will hear me and point out the errors I am to recant. For when I have learned my mistakes, I will gladly withdraw them, and do nothing to impair the honor and power of the Roman Church.” Miltitz did write the Pope- informing him Luther was ready to recant everything, which never happened. As I pointed out previously, Catholic apologists ignore what Boehmer calls "the conventional, curialistic style" and the accepted means of dialog with Rome, as well as to consider the politics of the Reformation.
There's a little more. I actually found the draft of the letter, and note, it is completely different in content than that being cited by Catholic apologists:
Draft of the letter to the Lord Pope
Most Holy Father: Necessity again forces me, the lowest of all men and dust of the earth, to address myself to Your Holiness and August Majesty. May Your Holiness therefore be most gracious and deign to lend your ears in a fatherly fashion for a short time, and willingly listen to the bleating of this, your little sheep, for you truly stand in the place of Christ.
The honorable Sir Charles Miltitz, chamber secretary to Your Holiness, has been with us. In the presence of the Most Illustrious Sovereign Frederick he very harshly accused me in the name of Your Holiness of lacking respect for and being rash toward the Roman church and Your Holiness, and demanded satisfaction for this. Hearing this, I was deeply grieved that my most loyal service has had such an unhappy outcome and that what I had undertaken-to guard the honor of the Roman church-had resulted in disgrace and was suspected of all wickedness, even so far as the head of the church was concerned. But what am I to do, Most Holy Father? I do not know what to do further: I cannot bear the power of your wrath, and I do not know of any means to escape it. The demand is made that I recant my theses. If such a revocation could accomplish what I was attempting to do with my theses, I would issue it without hesitation. Now, however, through the antagonism and pressure of enemies, my writings are spread farther than I ever had expected and are so deeply rooted in the hearts of so many people that I am not in the position to revoke them. In addition since our Germany prospers wonderfully today with men of talent, learning, and judgment, I realize that I cannot, under any circumstances, recant anything if I want to honor the Roman church-and this has to be my primary concern. Such a recanting would accomplish nothing but to defile the Roman church more and more and bring it into the mouths of the people as something that should be accused. See, Father, those whom I have opposed have inflicted this injury and virtual ignominy on the Roman church among us. With their most insipid sermons, preached in the name of Your Holiness, they have cultivated only the most shameful avarice and have substituted for sanctification the vile and abominable Egyptian scandal. And as if that had not been bad enough, they accuse me before Your Holiness-me, who opposed their tremendous monstrosities-of being the author of the temerity which is theirs.
Most Holy Father, before God and all his creation, I testify that I have never wanted, nor do I today want, to touch in any way the authority of the Roman church and of Your Holiness or demolish it by any craftiness. On the contrary I confess the authority of this church to be supreme over all, and that nothing, be it in heaven or on earth, is to be preferred to it, save the one Jesus Christ who is Lord of all-nor should Your Holiness believe the schemers who claim otherwise, plotting evil against this Martin.
Since in this case I can do only one thing, I shall most willingly promise Your Holiness that in the future I shall leave this matter of indulgences alone, and will be completely silent concerning it (if [my enemies] also stop their vain and bombastic speeches). In addition I shall publish something for the common people to make them understand that they should truly honor the Roman church, and influence them to do so. [I shall tell them] not to blame the church for the rashness of [those indulgence preachers], nor to imitate my sharp words against the Roman church, which I have used-or rather misused-against those clowns, and with which I have gone too far. Perhaps by the grace of God the discord which has arisen may finally be quieted by such an effort. I strive for only one thing: that the Roman church, our Mother, be not polluted by the filth of unsuitable avarice, and that the people be not led astray into error and taught to prefer indulgences to works of love. All the other things I consider of less importance, since they are matters of indifference. If I can do anything else, or if I discover that there is something else I can do, I will certainly be most ready to do it. [LW 48:100-102]
I think I can account for why Roman Catholics cite and document this quote the way they do. Once again, all roads seem to lead back to Patrick O'Hare's Facts About Luther:
To help all who are anxious to come to a knowledge of the truth as it is in Christ Jesus and His Church, it may be well to recall that Luther before he formally separated himself from obedience to Rome and when he seemed to abhor such a course, declared "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity." In a letter written by him in 1519 to the then reigning Pontiff Leo X. and quoted in the History of the Reformation by that partisan Merle D'Aubigne, he says, "That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St.Peter and St. Paul, forty-six popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman Church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things and nothing is difficult to those who are united." (See De Wette, I, 233 ff.)
The first part, "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity" is from...who knows? I haven't searched it yet, but whichever Catholic apologist used O'Hare's book just figured it was from the same writing. It may, or may not be. The second part O'Hare says is from a letter, this is wrong. Nor does Daubigne' (cited by O'Hare) say it's a letter:
Yet he still felt esteem for the ancient Church of Rome, and had no thought of separating from it. “That the Roman Church,” said he in the explanation which he had promised Miltitz to publish, “is honored by God above all others, is what we cannot doubt. Saint Peter, Saint Paul, forty-six popes, many hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have shed their blood in its bosom, and have overcome hell and the world, so that God’s eye regards it with especial favor. Although everything is now in a very wretched state there, this is not a sufficient reason for separating from it. On the contrary, the worse things are going on within it, the more should we cling to it; for it is not by separation that we shall make it better. We must not desert God on account of the devil; or abandon the children of God who are still in the Roman communion, because of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, there is no evil that should destroy charity or break the bond of union. For charity can do all things, and to unity nothing is difficult.
The promised writing to Miltitz is a treatise entitled (as far as I can figure out), "Instructions concerning Some Articles." This may be the writing LW 48 refers to: Verklärung etlicher Artikel (Explanation of Some Articles) (Wittenberg: J. Grünenberg, 1520). WA 6, 78 ff. This is Luther’s defense of his 1519 treatise on the Eucharist. I found a book with some more context for the quote:
"A man who swears, curses, slanders, or refuses his neighbour needed assistance is much worse than one who eats meat or does not fast on Friday. Nevertheless both classes of commandments are to be observed ; only it is advisable that to prevent their being placed upon an equal footing, some of the ecclesiastical requirements be abolished in a General Council. That the Roman Church is honoured by God above all others is a matter of no doubt, for there Sts. Peter and Paul and forty-six popes, besides many hundred thousand martyrs, have shed their blood. Even though matters might be better at Rome, nevertheless no reason can justify one in separating from this Church. Nay, the worse it is the more should one adhere to it. No sin or evil can be imagined, for the sake of which the bonds of love should be sundered and spiritual unity divided. But as to the power and sovereignty of the Roman See, and as to how far it extends, the learned must decide."
Well, once again, Catholics are just posting stuff they haven't read. Too late right now for me to search for "Instructions concerning Some Articles." I will look for that over the weekend.


14 comments:
There's no point in digging up the past. The past is not on Your side. Luther's belief is not (even) Lutheranism. At least not as it presents itself today. Maybe Luther's belief varied in his own lifetime. I don't know. In any case, it's not Protestantism as we know it to be. This is confirmed by discussions with (past and present) Lutherans even on this very blog. (Remember our little friend LP Cruz ?). I could talk about Luther's must vs. Cruz's should, or about the 95 vs the 25, or about preserving the faith of the Founding Fathers of the Church from AD 300, while at the same time being completely incapable of maintaining the very faith of the Founding Fathers of the Reformation itself, AD 1500, and other such phantasmagoric aberations. I could talk about the corruption of each and every single article of faith at Nice ... all except Scripture and Christ's divinity, of course. Or maybe about the curious comparison between Prot arguments for S.S. and Cath arguments for C.C. But it won't be of any avail. Just blowing off some steem. Never mind.
Great Luther research as usual, Tq. I've thought of a title for your prayed-for Luther book: The Quest for the Historical Luther: Beyond the Catholic and Protestant Myths.
James, in light of your good argument about people who ignore or don't know about the basic context of various writings, you might appreciate my post Roman Rhetoric and Right-Angle Apologetics. It examines the same phenomenon you're talking about re: curialist styles from the vantage point of classical rhetoric - a very big factor in many Medieval, Renaissance, and Reformation texts.
There's no point in digging up the past. The past is not on Your side.
lvka- I suggest not reading this blog if you see no point to it.
On your way out the door, please explain to me why some Roman Catholic apologists, both old and new, should be given a free pass to either make up history or present this type of poorly documented material in web articles and books.
If "the past is not on my side"- why then is there a need by some Roman Catholic apologists to use Luther quotes out-of-context, or in this instance, to make up an entire letter? Why should they be allowed to put forth material they haven't read...as if they are "expert" apologists? If "the past is not on my side" I should rarely find these types of blunders from Roman apologists. t
I suggest if some Catholic apologists want to make profit by selling their wares, or building their apologetic empires, they use a little common sense and only use actual quotes from Luther (or the Reformers) they've read in context.
One would think that finding things like Luther "imaginary letter" took weeks to find while going through Catholic materials. No, the opposite is true. I open their books, or look at their webpages, and this type of stuff jumps off the page. They've provided enough material to keep me blogging for the next 20 years.
The first part, "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity" is from...who knows?
I did a quick search and only found that phrase in two Steve Ray books, O'Hare's, and a few random Catholic sites (with no reference).
Looks like an O'Hare original.
Carrie ... that wording may be original to O'Hare ... but there is an actual underlying source in at least one edition of Luther's Works.
Carrie ... that wording may be original to O'Hare ... but there is an actual underlying source in at least one edition of Luther's Works.
For the particular phrase "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity"?
For the particular phrase "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity"?
Well, on 6/12 Turretinfan wrote me, and noted,
"Possibly the source is Luther, July 1519, on a controversy with Eck declaring that he had never approved of the Bohemian schism, or any other, as discussed here: http://books.google.com/books?id=iYs-AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA252
Apparently the exact quotation from that tract/sermon/document would be "I repulse the charge of Bohemianism. I have never approved of their schism. Even though they had divine right on their side, they ought not to have withdrawn from the Church, because the highest divine right is unity and charity." As reported here: http://books.google.com/books?id=IwyGxoDKk1wC&pg=PA115"
The wording from the controversy with Eck is very similar- I haven't had a chance to follow up on this.
If it is from this source, note, the alleged letter to Pope Leo Jan. 6, 1519 now is a conflation of different documents indicting even further the poor materials put forth by some Roman Catholic apologists. Let's hope for their sake, the sentence, "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity" is from the treatise, "Instructions Concerning Some Articles."
Further to what James mentions, I now have access to the original Latin, and so I would not be stuck with those secondary reports.
As noted by DA (and reported by James here: (link)), the first part seems to be loosely based on a line from one of Luther's disputations with Eck, in Leipzig, on the morning of July 5, 1519.
The original Latin transcript (based on Schmidt's Luther's Works) would be:
Primum diluam contumeliam, quod me egregius D. Doctor insimulat Bohemicae factionis studiosum et plane patronum, parcat ei Dominus, praesertim in tanta corona tantorum virorum. Numquam mihi placuit nec in aeternum placebit quodcunque schisma inique faciunt Bohemi, quod se autoritate propria separant a nostra unitate, etiamsi ius divinum pro eis staret: cum supremum ius divinum sit caritas et unitas spiritus.
As you can see, assuming you follow the Latin, the wording of the sentence on which the alleged quotation is based is:
Numquam mihi placuit nec in aeternum placebit quodcunque schisma inique faciunt Bohemi, quod se autoritate propria separant a nostra unitate, etiamsi ius divinum pro eis staret: cum supremum ius divinum sit caritas et unitas spiritus.
Now, you might notice (even if you don't read Latin) that this is somewhat longer than "I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity." Don't chaulk this up to Latin being a bulky language -- the problem is that the quotation is selective and misleading ... it's essentially an extraction based on this part (in bold):
Numquam mihi placuit nec in aeternum placebit quodcunque schisma inique faciunt Bohemi, quod se autoritate propria separant a nostra unitate, etiamsi ius divinum pro eis staret: cum supremum ius divinum sit caritas et unitas spiritus.
Thus, you can see that the important qualifying phrase "inique faciunt Bohemi" has been removed, to make it sound as though Luther has made an unqualified condemnation of division.
Furthermore, the verb "placere" from which "placuit" and "placebit" derive has a range of possible meanings, such that the phrase could be rendered:
"I never approved"
or
"It never pleased me"
or
"I never liked"
or
"I was never satisfied by"
Ultimately, to get the right sense, we have to look to the context, which in this case has to do with the explanation Luther gives about rights: he felt that the Hussites were in the right (where they differed from their condemners), but that the issues of charity and unity were more important than the reasons that the Hussites had for separating.
Thus, the translation which James has noted above is a fairly good one, though somewhat loose. It explains why Luther was displeased by the Bohemian schism, which is all Luther was talking about in the first place.
I'm sure James can testify that this is not the only fragmentary quotation from Luther that has been ripped out of context by his enemies.
-TurretinFan
Oops - my "(link)" above should have pointed
here rather than nowhere
My apologies for the wasted fingertips of those who tried to click through the non-link.
-TurretinFan
Many thanks to turretinfan, particularly for his work on Numquam mihi placuit nec in aeternum placebit quodcunque schisma inique faciunt Bohemi
Thanks for the clarification, I thought I had missed something in the post.
As to the quote found which sounds similiar to O'Hare's - the similarity is a bit loose. James, do you know if O'Hare read Latin?
I don't recall ever reading of O'Hare's linguistic abilities. I would speculate, as a priest in the late 1800's- early 1900's, he probably had training in Latin.
A large portion of O'Hare's citations are taken from secondary sources. He was gleeful in citing Protestant resources either commenting on, or quoting Luther. He also quoted previous Catholic apologists, and was a big fan of Grisar's work.
Interestingly, I learned today Catholic apologists don't have to learn Latin anymore. They now use "on-line Latin translator" web pages. Wonders never cease....
My point was: why are You so persistently hung up on a history You don't even give a penny about?
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