tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post115105822538623256..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Catholic Apologist Art Sippo on Richard MariusJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-1170158434709968572007-01-30T07:00:00.000-05:002007-01-30T07:00:00.000-05:00Hello anonymous,First, in regard to Luther condoni...Hello anonymous,<BR/><BR/>First, in regard to Luther condoning Rape, i'm not familiar with this particular quote you mention. If you have a treatise or context, please let me know- i'd be interested in seeing it.<BR/><BR/>In regard to Maritain, he was an author that belonged to the era of Catholic scholars prone to misinterpreting Luther.<BR/><BR/>Catholic historian Joseph Lortz comments, <BR/><BR/>“There can be no doubt of the sincerity and conviction of Cochlaeus, but neither can there be any doubt that it was he who poisoned the well of historical studies. Roman Catholic historians have drawn their prejudice against Luther from this polemical source, which in its animosity has an almost total disregard for objective truth and historical facts. Denifle, Grisar, Cristiani, Paquier, and Maritain (to cite the most famous and influential) have all drunk deep of this poisoned well-too deeply- and lesser historians have adopted their position.”<BR/><BR/>And also note the word from Catholic scholar John Mcdonough<BR/><BR/>"Catholic scholars, in the past, have failed to perceive this essential Luther because they were, in my opinion, prisoners of Greek philosophy and scholastic theology. Instead of interpreting Luther in his own context—the dynamic experiential context of the prophet and the preacher—they attempted to reduce his strong sinewy metaphors and wild paradoxes to logical categories. In this way it was easy for them to point to contradictions and absurdities in his teachings. <BR/>Thus we find men like Denifle, Grisar, Maritain, even Bouyer <BR/>and others, misunderstanding Luther's statements about man's enduring sinfulness or the Christian's passive and imputed righteousness."James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-1170124880431463932007-01-29T21:41:00.000-05:002007-01-29T21:41:00.000-05:00I just found your blog and I really would like to ...I just found your blog and I really would like to know what you have to say about Maritain's writing on Luther. He seems to be much more academic than most books about the man. <BR/>How does one go about defending some of Luther's statements, especially toward the end of his life, such as when he praises a band of men for entering a convent and raping nuns? <BR/>I had respect for him until I read some of his actual words. Of course not all he says is bad, but I don't know how one can ignore much of what he says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-1151174524920597412006-06-24T14:42:00.000-04:002006-06-24T14:42:00.000-04:00Unfortunately, Sippo's bias views continue with a ...Unfortunately, Sippo's bias views continue with a new thread he's posted "Luther : "reformer" as an abused child." It's amazing that some folks take him so seriously, as if he truly researches Luther pro and con. One can only hope that the guy will eventually be approached by his peers and told to ease up, as Madrid attempted to do, but the sad thing is that they really don't do anything about it. <BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>RayChurchmousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521990026485330450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-1151109426525093512006-06-23T20:37:00.000-04:002006-06-23T20:37:00.000-04:00JimIt does sound as though Marius, while taking ne...Jim<BR/><BR/>It does sound as though Marius, while taking negative view of Luther generally, does not do so for reasons that Sippo would agree with. <BR/><BR/>I think that it is necessary to acknowledge that for Sippo the only thing you need to be consistent about is antipathy towards Luther to qualify as a good read.<BR/><BR/>I think you have been very consistent: you have considered the point of view and subsequent approach to Luther by all authors.<BR/><BR/>It is funny to see Art accuse you of promoting an author (or not) according to agreement with your own conclusions. You have actually never done that. Art however does this in a relentless and embarassing manner.<BR/><BR/>I am sure Dr. Sippo is aware of what "projection" is about...Oddball Pastorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09652489553058249992noreply@blogger.com