tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post9148307101553711543..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Boz Tchividjian shocks those who aren't paying attentionJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-51049570376614174442013-10-07T07:00:04.782-04:002013-10-07T07:00:04.782-04:00We are no less guilty than the Roman Catholic Chur...<i>We are no less guilty than the Roman Catholic Church</i><br /><br />"We"? Speak for yourself. No church or organisation in which I am involved has, to my knowledge, covered up or protected sexual predators. If I discovered that any did, I would work to expose and bring to repentance the offenders. <br /><br />What Roman Catholic can say the same? That's right - no Roman Catholic can. I'm not averse to claiming guilt where it's due, but it ain't due here. We gain nothing by overgeneralising the guilt. Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-75824032138437107592013-10-05T13:50:16.901-04:002013-10-05T13:50:16.901-04:00Here is just a sampling of websites and blogs whic...Here is just a sampling of websites and blogs which chronicle this problem in Protestantism/evangelicalism/fundamentalism:<br /><br />http://cryingoutforjustice.wordpress.com/ (This blog is run by Jeff Crippen, a Reformed Baptist minister)<br /><br />http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/<br /><br />http://thewartburgwatch.com/<br /><br />We are no less guilty than the Roman Catholic Church, and it is a self-deception for any protestant or evangelical to believe otherwise.Nicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-61542532689487696622013-10-05T13:49:59.716-04:002013-10-05T13:49:59.716-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-51927738109853244402013-10-05T13:41:38.575-04:002013-10-05T13:41:38.575-04:00In addition to Boz and his groups GRACE, there hav...In addition to Boz and his groups GRACE, there have been many groups chronicling sex abuse and denominational coverup in all denominations and advocating for the abused in all these groups. SNAP advocates for victims of all churches and denominations, as well as other religions and other groups such as the Boy Scouts. Christa Brown, a member of SNAP, is a victim of clergy child sex abuse in the SBC and has been shining a light on this problem in the SBC for a long time: <br /><br />http://www.stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm<br /><br />All denominations, conservative, liberal, protestant, catholic, orthodox, etc. have suffered from the problem not just of clergy child sex abuse, but of denominational coverup as well:<br /><br />http://www.reformation.com/<br /><br />Too many conservative evangelicals want to dig in their heels and attack the messengers rather than address this issue and bring real reform to their churches and church bodies.Nicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-29414758894794650362013-10-03T18:07:15.567-04:002013-10-03T18:07:15.567-04:00One, the gross immorality of the Roman clergy at t...One, the gross immorality of the Roman clergy at the time of the Reformation did not help its cause.<br /><br />Two, the current scandal with Rome is remarkable for two reasons. <br />First, the cover up went right to the infallible top of the organization.<br />Second, it's not about pedophila, but homosexuality in that the Lavender Mafia is a sizeable and tolerated cohort in Romanism.<br /><br />(But homosexuality is good, viva SSM! Oh, priests can't get married and slut shaming notwithstanding, rape is bad. Consensuality is the desideratum.<br />But what about NAMBLA and lowering the age of consent? Never mind.)<br /><br />Last, nobody denies that sin, much more these kinds of sin, are quarantined/found only in Romanism. <br />But when you make all kinds of boasts about the superiority of the Vatican religion - well, to whom much is given, much is required.RPVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09812675463969384709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-74572899416157952062013-10-03T13:25:57.610-04:002013-10-03T13:25:57.610-04:00Howdy!
it seems to place the cause of the occurre...Howdy!<br /><br /><i>it seems to place the cause of the occurrence of sex scandals at this or that type of church structure</i><br /><br />I apologise for not being as clear as I could have been.<br />What I mean is that everyone has sex scandals on "their" side. But the guilt of Rome is much more pronounced because of what they claim about their church hierarchy and the fact that said hierarchy has gone to great lengths to HIDE AND PROTECT known predators, and they still haven't repented of that sin. <br /><br /><br /><i>your "rotten root" comment to describe the Papacy</i><br /><br />It was referring to the Roman hierarchy in more general terms.<br />Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-44039264460834028272013-10-03T13:03:03.188-04:002013-10-03T13:03:03.188-04:00Sorry: *common...is premature.Sorry: *common...is premature.FrDavidWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07055955595860517098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-57128946089818375742013-10-03T13:01:48.444-04:002013-10-03T13:01:48.444-04:00"Unless and until some grand sex-abuse-concea..."Unless and until some grand sex-abuse-concealment conspiracy among numerous different "evangelical" organisations or churches or denominations, what we have chez evangelicalism is an example of bad apples in a large basket, rather than a rotten root."<br /><br />I understand how evangelicals at large could claim that, because they're not all completely affiliated with one another through some monolithic and automatic hierarchical structure, that "guilt by association" can't be done as well as with Catholics (i.e., "That's a Church of Christ congregation; it doesn't involve Reformed Baptists, who aren't in communion with them.")<br /><br />What I find odd about the comment above (which I would surmise is your overall point) is that it seems to place the cause of the occurrence of sex scandals at this or that type of church structure, whether your "rotten root" comment to describe the Papacy or Tchividjian's allegation that less hierarchically-bound Christians have it worse. I just don't think that either has merit, to be honest.<br /><br />The Orthodox, of course, have historical and theological problems with the Papacy (not to mention moral), but to draw the line between the "rotten root" of the Papacy and something that RCs, Protestants and, of course, Orthodox have in common (we have pokrov.org, for example).<br /><br />Plenty of things to find wrong with the Papacy; blaming sex scandals on it as an institution isn't one that will stick, imo.FrDavidWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07055955595860517098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-36431574272040229252013-10-03T13:01:10.583-04:002013-10-03T13:01:10.583-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.FrDavidWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07055955595860517098noreply@blogger.com