tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post863729424658175370..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: For Algo: Surprised By Truth #15James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-7469378054156445862007-10-08T09:07:00.000-04:002007-10-08T09:07:00.000-04:00"So, on the one hand Protestants are "separated br..."So, on the one hand Protestants are "separated brethren," but when we're talking about conversion to Christianity, it quickly becomes "conversion to 'the Church.'" <BR/><BR/>Ummm-- it was "Algo" who said he converted to the Christianity in the Church, as opposed to converted to it via Protestantism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-58602011469646610302007-10-08T09:00:00.000-04:002007-10-08T09:00:00.000-04:00"Algo says he was exploring Christianity, not Cath..."Algo says he was exploring Christianity, not Catholicism, yet when "Anonymous" replies, he speaks of conversion to the Church."<BR/><BR/>Gene:<BR/><BR/>What I wrote was utterly consistent with Catholic understanding. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>As you likely already know, we confess that the churches of the Reformation are nor "Churches" in the proper sense, yet at the same time we also acknowledge that these churches have been and remain instruments of Salvation--and that in as much as they are it reflects the working of the true Church in them through Christ. The separated brethren are not in full communion with the Church by their own testimony. Many even claim they are not even in partial communion with her. For members of these communions to be restored to full communion, it obviously requires their conversion.<BR/>Clearly you do not and will not agree with these beliefs; however, that disbelief doesn't give you license to misrepresent them, whether intentionally or through indifference to the actual teachings and practices you criticize. Should your false witness be unintentional, then you are duly corrected, and from this time forward, culpable, should you continue to do so of your own free will. That is entirely up to you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-44869606408075073582007-10-06T14:45:00.000-04:002007-10-06T14:45:00.000-04:00conversion to the Church.Algo says he was explorin...<I>conversion to the Church.</I><BR/><BR/>Algo says he was exploring Christianity, not Catholicism, yet when "Anonymous" replies, he speaks of conversion to the Church.<BR/><BR/>So, on the one hand Protestants are "separated brethren," but when we're talking about conversion to Christianity, it quickly becomes "conversion to 'the Church.'" Seems to me that this proves that, ultimately, for Romanists, it's not about converting to Christ -it's about converting to Rome. They can't help but say it.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-64468263281067119972007-10-05T22:19:00.000-04:002007-10-05T22:19:00.000-04:00Wisdom,Having read what was posted here, I wonder ...Wisdom,<BR/><BR/>Having read what was posted here, I wonder if I might prevail upon you to reconsider your statements. Do you really mean to say that your conversion to Catholicism hinged upon some perceived slight from someone else? What if you were to hear a Catholic say, for example, that Art Sippo insulted him so he became Protestant? Sounds crazy, doesn't it?<BR/><BR/>You must understand that it is the function of the apologist, on either side of the Tiber, to be biased toward his own communion. I am unfamiliar with this idea of the "objective Protestant," unless if by that you mean one who won't argue against your position, and doesn't defend his sources as being accurate and reliable.<BR/><BR/>I hope in future you will be able to assess the differences between Catholic and Protestant <I>doctrine</I> more thoughtfully and a bit less emotionally.<BR/><BR/>Regarding your harsh words for Swan, White, etc., I would challenge you to consider introspectively whether it is the Holy Spirit of God that leads you to speak this way of them, or if there is something else in operation here.<BR/><BR/>At any rate, I think if you can steer away from personal attacks, and deal with the issues at hand, you will do well.<BR/><BR/>All God's Best,<BR/><BR/>PilgrimsarbourPilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-86143895951117600112007-10-05T18:11:00.000-04:002007-10-05T18:11:00.000-04:00"There are many reasons to embrace Catholic Christ..."There are many reasons to embrace Catholic Christianity: The glory of Jesus, the fullness of salvation, the sacred truth of the gospels, the sacred tradition of the Church, the holy sacraments, the examples of the saints throughout the ages... but for book discounts?" <BR/><BR/>Actually, there are more reasons why one should not be Roman Catholic based on the testimony of both Scripture and history. For more information, read this article from a former Roman Catholic. DID I REALLY LEAVE THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH?: http://www.christiantruth.com/Testimony.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-81067992719408158862007-10-05T14:50:00.000-04:002007-10-05T14:50:00.000-04:00"Well thanks to your greed and James White and the..."Well thanks to your greed and James White and the generosity of the Bible Christian Society who offered a lot of materails for nothing I am a catholic who happens to be debating your false claims again and again. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>Speaking as a Catholic myself, I can't imagine how not getting positive response when asking for a price break translates into conversion to the Church.<BR/><BR/>There are many reasons to embrace Catholic Christianity: The glory of Jesus, the fullness of salvation, the sacred truth of the gospels, the sacred tradition of the Church, the holy sacraments, the examples of the saints throughout the ages... but for book discounts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-20454482868437233632007-10-04T21:48:00.000-04:002007-10-04T21:48:00.000-04:00The counter-response is the product of a paranoid ...The counter-response is the product of a paranoid mind. Oh well, hopefully he likes his "free" Roman Catholic Church. Well, until he gets his next email from the Catholic Answers forums.Matheteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13527032591499860552noreply@blogger.com