tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post8595317560426678919..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Martin Luther and Ellen G. White: Prophets?James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-65663698596490809152022-02-26T11:14:58.527-05:002022-02-26T11:14:58.527-05:00don't think Luther regarded himself a prophet ...<i> don't think Luther regarded himself a prophet and neither did Ellen white. She often told people that she just a messenger of God given a message for the present day as John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah</i><br /><br />The context of this post originally took place in 2007 on a discussion board, so I was responding in that particular context. <br /><br />Frankly, I don't spend any time at all in the writings of Ellen White. If Ellen put forth statements about the future and claimed those statements were given to her by God then certain conclusions follow. For Luther, he did not claim to be getting special extra-biblical knowledge about the future from God. His extent of being a "prophet" is how Dr. Kolb explained it above in this old blog entry. James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-42205663247681692372022-02-25T21:10:48.028-05:002022-02-25T21:10:48.028-05:00I don't think Luther regarded himself a prophe...I don't think Luther regarded himself a prophet and neither did Ellen white. She often told people that she just a messenger of God given a message for the present day as John the Baptist came in the spirit and power of ElijahPeter Malambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05892379738359196779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-80318744851595904762020-12-19T19:39:11.395-05:002020-12-19T19:39:11.395-05:00Doesn't Heb 12:8 say that God corrects/chasten...Doesn't Heb 12:8 say that God corrects/chastens all His own who believe in a "jesus" who thinks book of James is a farce, an epistle of straw. Are all the rest illigitimate idolators? It would seem that Luther was so carnally against book of James he was totally unable to use its many facets to resoundly trample the Roman Catholic effort! It is really a piece of cake, perfect ammo for devastating the cults.<br /><br />Luther might think I am a deceived idolator when I do not join him in trashing James, but instead turn book of James on him! He might want me strangled and killed like a dog. Such was his defiled verbage.<br /><br />Do we have reason to think idolators display fruits of the spirit? I wonder if Luther was aware that Father and Holy Spirit also believed book of James? Luther against the entire Trinity. Not so humble. Quite arrogant, wouldnt you say? Jesus never commanded Luther to be arrogant nor reject book of James. Luther failed to deny self, disobeying another of Jesus' commands. Instead he asserted his evil self continually while hobbyhorsing some of Pauls statements, all the while portraying a "jesus" that agreed with him (Luther).<br /><br />Jesus commands you to beware false prophets/teachers, Matt 7:15-23. Notice how the passage ends up. Notice no forgiveness mentioned. Is that what you want for yourself?<br /><br />It is a sin to maintain a website that refuses to warn people of the false teacher Luther. Jesus never commanded you to promote a false teacher, but here you are doing it. Failing to deny self. Very disobedient to Jesus.<br /><br />You call Him Lord, Lord, but do not what he says... this is also not a good work, Luke 6:46-49. Ends in disaster. Is this what you want for yourself? James 2 says your faith without good works of obeying Jesus words is a dead faith. Is that what you want for youself?<br /><br />James 1:22 be a hearer and doer of Jesus' word or else you deceive yourself. Do you want deception for yourself? You might never know you are deceived by Luther unless God decides at some point to chasten you. I am sure you don't want any of these negative outcomes for yourself, for your loved ones, and your sphere of influence.<br /><br />If you are self deceived, how would you know it? You already agreed with me that "Nearly 100% of the time, the deceived have no idea they are deceived. It takes a miracle by God to get un-deceived, His choosing! He owes no man correction. Many are called, few are chosen."<br /><br />Can you tell whether or not you are deceived, now? Am I deceived because I realize what a useful tool book of James is for exposing false teachers?Elmer G. Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-20523466570750143232020-12-15T11:51:51.274-05:002020-12-15T11:51:51.274-05:00Nearly 100% of the time, the deceived have no idea...<i><br />Nearly 100% of the time, the deceived have no idea they are deceived. It takes a miracle by God to get un-deceived, His choosing! He owes no man correction. Many are called, few are chosen.</i><br /><br />Well, at least we agree on that.James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-2146302460329008832020-12-14T14:09:37.836-05:002020-12-14T14:09:37.836-05:00Luther worshipped an idol "jesus". This ...<br />Luther worshipped an idol "jesus". This false jesus finally realized in 1522 that the Epistle of James was an "epistle of Straw", just like Luther committed in ink: Luther, Preface to the New Testament, 1522. How did Luther deceive himself? Does God owe him correction? Do the illigitimate get chastened? -- Hebrews 12:8.<br /><br />Scripture tells us to flee idolatry, but Luther crashes headlong into it.<br /><br />Jesus never commanded Luther to diss the book of James/Jacob. What the heck was Luther thinking? He went way beyond the doctrines of Christ, showing he did not have God. Do not bid Luther godspeed or invite him into your house, or you participate in his sin -- 2 John 1:9-11. Matt 17:5 never commanded the disciples to rank Paul's or Luthers teachings over Jesus' teachings!<br /><br />Luther was not exactly denying self in this instance, but neither were the Roman Catholics. Christ commands to deny self, which Luther failed at in multiple ways. Did Luther ever repent of or condemn his own self-generated idolatry? And yet he feigned at holy communion?<br /><br />Do idolators drink and eat damnation to themselves by pretending holy communion?<br /><br />Did Luther defile himself with what came from his mouth and quill? Mark 7:15,20-23 -- it says wickedness, deceit, pride, foolishness and evil thoughts are what defiled Luther in this case. I cannot emphasize enough the value of Book of James in exposing all fake christian cults and false movements. It easily tears up the Seventh-day Adventist's claims top to bottom -- To the spiritually discerning, the SDA's are exposed, verse after verse, as blind, starving, diseased, devastated, shivering, rebellious and bare naked, spiritually speaking, after a trip through James.<br />Too bad Luther was not able to apply James against all things Roman Catholic.<br /><br />Faith alone in a false christ is in no way justifying. God is not mocked. JW's, SDA's, Mormons, Pre-trib Rapture enthusiasts, etc all have faith in false prophets, false teachers, false ideas, and certainly false christs. They are all God-mockers, religious liars. They fail to deny self (tend to be self promoting arminians/pelagians, etc) and refuse to judge themselves as reprobate idolators.<br /><br />Nearly 100% of the time, the deceived have no idea they are deceived. It takes a miracle by God to get un-deceived, His choosing! He owes no man correction. Many are called, few are chosen.<br /><br />Sent from my Galaxie Tab® EElmer G. Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-46137171389872392982020-12-12T11:57:51.771-05:002020-12-12T11:57:51.771-05:00The book is filled with a lot of out-of-context qu...The book is filled with a lot of out-of-context quotations. Luther is not infallible and can be chastised in a number of way / areas. There's an honest way to do it and a dishonest way to do it. Wiener's book falls in the later category. <br /><br />James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-38515586813826529162020-12-11T20:02:47.422-05:002020-12-11T20:02:47.422-05:00How do you know Wiener wasn't merely taking Ma...How do you know Wiener wasn't merely taking Marty's advice to "Be a sinner, and sin boldly" or even "What harm could it do if a man told a good lusty lie in a worthy cause and for the sake of the Christian Churches?"<br /><br />...that is, if his article was truly trash?<br /><br />Maybe I am in trouble now since I violate Martins' teaching: "Whoever rejects my doctrine cannot be saved." or "Nobody should rise up against me" ?<br /><br />Will now try a site search for Wiener.Elmer G. Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-76554417662215308192020-12-05T00:01:42.509-05:002020-12-05T00:01:42.509-05:00Is it garbage because you say so?
Of course not, ...<i>Is it garbage because you say so?</i><br /><br />Of course not, which is why I made the suggestion to search the blog and see the reasons why I made the comment about that book. James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-32875896139995694952020-12-04T17:50:47.638-05:002020-12-04T17:50:47.638-05:00Hi James,
Swan :It's spelled, "Wiener.&q...Hi James,<br /><br />Swan :It's spelled, "Wiener." That book is garbage. Search either the book title or the author here on this blog for the proof. <br /><br />Is it garbage because you say so? So the author is a babbling fool and you are qualified to say? Not that it matters, but it seems to be authored in the 1940's. Did Wiener lead a whole shwack of people to hell with this book?<br /><br />Did anyone from the 1940's dispute all points in Wiener's book? <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Elmer GeeWhizz WhiteElmer G. Whitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-71129604520810875042020-12-02T07:48:54.433-05:002020-12-02T07:48:54.433-05:00Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They'...Q: What is so ironic about Atheists? <br /><br />A: They're always talking about God.KChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815737360595130168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-52251322605760745022020-12-01T10:45:01.994-05:002020-12-01T10:45:01.994-05:00Sure, Ellen G White was just as legitimate prophet...<i>Sure, Ellen G White was just as legitimate prophet as Martin Luther! Luther taught that his people should at time sin boldly! Read article on internet called Martin Luther Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor by Peter F. Weiner --- (hint: neither were prophets representing God)</i><br /><br />It's spelled, "Wiener." That book is garbage. Search either the book title or the author here on this blog for the proof. <br /><br />James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-79656937919880668112020-11-30T19:35:12.000-05:002020-11-30T19:35:12.000-05:00Sure, Ellen G White was just as legitimate prophet...Sure, Ellen G White was just as legitimate prophet as Martin Luther! Luther taught that his people should at time sin boldly! Read article on internet called Martin Luther Hitler's Spiritual Ancestor by Peter F. Weiner --- (hint: neither were prophets representing God)<br /><br />The SDA's pernicious sin of promoting a false she-prophet while simultaneously rebelling against Jesus' command at Matt 7:15-23 negates any claim to keeping a day holy, because James 2:10 says SDA's break the whole law, which means they are also liars, sabbath defilers, God blasphemers, thieves, and murderers. Such keep zero days holy as required by their precious Exodus 20:8. Such big hypocrits they are, which is yet another sin!<br /><br />And they are still unable to find themselves in 1 Timothy 1:-10. Spiritual blindness is another of their sins! They actually are the Mt Everest of sin.<br /><br />They swerved, having turned aside unto vain jangling.<br /><br />Do not look for SDA's in heaven, for every single one is a deceived, miniature false prophet. Good chance they will be tormented day and night for eternity, Rev 20:10Elmer G. WHITEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-4637177359159324822007-07-19T00:56:00.000-04:002007-07-19T00:56:00.000-04:00I do not consider Luther a Prophet in the class of...I do not consider Luther a Prophet in the class of Isaiah and Jeremiah etc.<BR/><BR/>I do consider him a prophet in that he came to call people back to the Lord - the Gospel. Demon or not, the whole church world could not but adjust based on the issues he raised. <BR/><BR/>LitoLPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11352627830833515548noreply@blogger.com