tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post8206850425783824976..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Alister McGrath: The Catholic Response to Luther was Obvious Because It Makes So Much Sense and is So LogicalJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-62239816404616905062014-11-10T19:10:32.958-05:002014-11-10T19:10:32.958-05:00Rhology, you beat me to it. Thank God.
And of co...Rhology, you beat me to it. Thank God. <br /><br />And of course, despite the propaganda RCs believe,<a href="http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Scripture.html#2" rel="nofollow"> there was </a> no infallible, binding canon for Luther to dissent from while he was still alive, nor was he alone in questioning or rejecting some books as Scripture proper. <br /><br />In addition, French historian Jacques Le Goff states,<br /> <br />“It then becomes clear that at the time of Judas Maccabeus - around 170 B.C., a surprisingly innovative period - prayer for the dead was not practiced, but that a century later it was practiced by certain Jews.” -Jacques Le Goff, The Birth of Purgatory, trans. Arthur Goldhammer (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press. p.45; http://www.lightshinesindarkness.com/purgatory_history_1.htm <br /><br />PeaceByJesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08754948549904895669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-8331548544156743452014-11-07T12:36:31.416-05:002014-11-07T12:36:31.416-05:0038 So Judas having gathered together his army, cam...38 So Judas having gathered together his army, came into the city Odollam: and when the seventh day came, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath in the place.<br /><br />39 And the day following Judas came with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchres of their fathers.<br /><br />40 And they found under the coats of the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain.<br /><br />41 Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden.<br /><br />42 And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain.<br /><br />43 And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,<br /><br />44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)<br /><br />45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.<br /><br />46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.<br /><br /><br /><br />The dead in this case were idolaters, and that's why the text implies God put them to death. Idolaters go to hell, not Purgatory. <br />Further, the text only tells us that Judas thought it was a good idea to pray for them, but no mention of Purgatory.<br />Also, the narrator elsewhere in his book tells us that he's not sure that he got right all the stuff he wrote in his book. Thus his opinion about prayer for the dead in v44 and v46 is neutered.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-40416474282100486742014-11-07T12:05:05.584-05:002014-11-07T12:05:05.584-05:00Also it's terribly poor exegesis to contend th...Also it's terribly poor exegesis to contend that 2 Macc 12 endorses the practice of prayer for the dead in the Romanist way of thinking.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com