tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post7757945860864776101..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Patrick Madrid: Here's Why You Shouldn't Trust the PopeJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-17920298408053430472010-04-10T09:45:26.560-04:002010-04-10T09:45:26.560-04:00James,
I suppose even more to the point would be ...James,<br /><br />I suppose even more to the point would be the comment of Madrid concerning papal infallibility...<br /><br /><b>Madrid:</b> "…the dogma being defined here is Peter’s primacy and authority over the Church — <i>not</i> a formal exegesis of Matthew 16. The passages from Matthew 16 and John 21 are given as <i>reasons</i> for defining the doctrine, but they are not themselves the <i>subject</i> of the definition. As anyone familiar with the dogma of papal infallibility knows, the reasons given in a dogmatic definition are not themselves considered infallible; only the result of the deliberations is protected from error. It’s always possible that while the doctrine defined is indeed infallible, some of the proofs adduced for it end up being incorrect. Patrick Madrid, <i>Pope Fiction</i> (San Diego: Basilica Press, 1999), p. 254.<br /><br />If the passages of Matthew 16 and John 21 have not been infallibly defined in their alleged connection to the dogma of papal infallibility, then what passages have been infallibly interpreted by Rome?dtkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08517142528948228472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-13588050523828228692010-04-09T09:31:43.190-04:002010-04-09T09:31:43.190-04:00Pontificating over the pope. Hmmm.Pontificating over the pope. Hmmm.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-86665478369790928212010-04-09T05:07:07.480-04:002010-04-09T05:07:07.480-04:00But you can trust him when he says he is infallibl...<i>But you can trust him when he says he is infallible sometimes.</i><br /><br /><br /> So is it a fallible decision on the Pope's part when he chooses to say something infallible? Or is choosing to say something infallible an infallible choice? Then, the question becomes is choosing to choose to say something infallible a fallible choice, and so on.James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-68857400757569108042010-04-07T20:05:47.898-04:002010-04-07T20:05:47.898-04:00"But you can trust him when he says he is inf...<i>"But you can trust him when he says he is infallible sometimes."</i><br /><br />Yeah, I'm infallible some of the time too. That's why I'm qualified to be my own pope.EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-14947242859596027342010-04-07T16:55:29.164-04:002010-04-07T16:55:29.164-04:00Remember: Pope John Paul II was convinced that Fr....<i>Remember: Pope John Paul II was convinced that Fr. Maciel was a holy priest, an exemplary and faithful Catholic, and "an efficacious guide to youth." He could not have been more wrong about that.</i><br /><br />But you <b>can</b> trust him when he says he is infallible sometimes.Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697072499214349759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-35754060240943210482010-04-07T07:10:55.035-04:002010-04-07T07:10:55.035-04:00Hmm....this statement:
"Maciel (is) 'an ...Hmm....this statement: <br /><i>"Maciel (is) 'an efficacious guide to youth'."</i><br /><br />seems an awful lot like this: <br /><i>"...I declare it (The Catechism of the Catholic Church) to be a sure norm for teaching the faith..."</i>EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.com