tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post715931564739196778..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Luther Acknowledged His Errors on the Real Presence in the Lord's Supper?James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger1125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-25111582552465838322017-01-07T21:57:12.510-05:002017-01-07T21:57:12.510-05:00The problem is that the majority (perhaps) of Cath...The problem is that the majority (perhaps) of Caths do not even need to be constrained us to believe the falsely feigned and invented Transubstantiation, but believe it anyway, at least insofar as the understand it. Although only minority likely know that, while it is said that via the power given (only) to Cath. priests (which are absent in the life of the NT church) at the moment of the words of consecration, real bread and wine are substantially changed into the "the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, and the very blood which he poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins,"(CCC 1365) in His entirety, in each particle and in each drop (even subatomic), and in multilocation, in numberless separate Hosts,<br />so that "eating and drinking are to be understood of the actual partaking of Christ in person, hence literally,” (Catholic Encyclopedia>>The Real Presence of Christ..); <br /><br />This also means that the actual bread and wine no longer actually exist, while the body and blood of Christ that is said to exist only looks, tastes, smells, behaves as actual bread and wine ("If you took the consecrated host to a laboratory it would be chemically shown to be bread, not human flesh" (Dwight Longenecker, "Explaining Transubstantiation").<br /><br />And that this "Real Presence" only exists until the bread or wine(which no longer exist) begins to decompose The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist." (CCC 1377) "...that is, until the Eucharist is digested, physically destroyed, or decays by some natural process." (The Holy Eucharist BY Bernard Mulcahy, O.P., p. 32) At which point Aquinas argued that the substance of the bread and wine cannot return. <br /><br />And which ritual is the central supreme exalted sacrament of Catholicism though absent as such in the NT church, while God/Christ never was preached as being looking etc. like an inanimate object, but His manifest physicality ("seen with our eyes,"...) was emphasized.<br /><br />While within Gnosticism you had the belief that what Christ looked and behaved like was not real (Christ being a sort of phantom but looking human), in Catholicism you have the belief that (in transubstantiation) what Christ looks, feels, tastes and would test as (bread and wine), is not the reality (Christ's corporeal body and blood only looking like bread and wine). A Knights of Columbus article acknowledges: "the Most Holy Eucharist not only looks like something it isn’t (that is, bread and wine), but also tastes, smells, feels, and in all ways appears to be what it isn’t." (ibid, Mulcahy)<br /><br />More by God's grace; http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/The_Lord%27s_Supper.html (revised)<br /><br />But since the self-proclaimed" one true Catholic church" (pick one) says it "really" Jesus Christ, then multitudes "have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men." (Hosea 10:13) In contrast to the metaphorical understanding, which along easily conflates with John and the rest of Scripture. <br />PeaceByJesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08754948549904895669noreply@blogger.com