tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post7006194876261114273..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Luther, Contraception, and Onan's SinJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-38529766732817511612022-06-14T22:36:42.048-04:002022-06-14T22:36:42.048-04:00One argument in favor of the Catholic interpretati...One argument in favor of the Catholic interpretation is Deuteronomy 25:5-10, in which the punishment for refusing ones Levirate duty is public humiliation, not death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-23463634035692586782013-11-25T17:58:17.040-05:002013-11-25T17:58:17.040-05:00There are a number of considerations. NFP can als...There are a number of considerations. NFP can also be used to time the attempts at getting pregnant. So much has to do with intent here. Onan was intending not to have a child with Tamar and fulfill his various obligations, thus shutting down all her possibilities. (Also, many birthcontrol methods get rid of a fertilized ovum, i.e. a new individual. This is different from NFP.) <br /><br />Luther, in other places, was not too thrilled with the male arousing a female and then letting her hang there. The abortion of a child, or preventing fertilization or implantation, is one thing, but the abortion of her climax and her ability to conceive, to her complete frustration is another. In some sense it is a female-protecting interpretation. Brigittehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259491144770243688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-21576590301387221122013-11-20T16:32:22.355-05:002013-11-20T16:32:22.355-05:00That's very interesting, about Onan and NFP.
...That's very interesting, about Onan and NFP.<br /><br />There <i>are</i> coherent ways to distinguish between NFP and contraceptive birth control--in the former the physical act is being abstained from at certain times, while in the latter the physical act is being altered. The question is whether or not those distinctions are morally significant.<br /><br />And I've never been able to see any good basis for thinking that "what [Onan] did was wicked in the sight of the Lord" (Gen. 38:10) is talking about "spilling his seed on the ground" rather than "doging his levirate duty while still sleeping with Tamar". You pretty much have to argue from the weight of tradition, but so many people end up thinking the passage itself clearly forbids contraception.<br /><br />But I never noticed that Onan could have used NFP to accomplish his purpose.<br /><br />I wonder--how many Catholic interpreters think that Onan would still have deserved death if he had used NFP to avoid conception? For those who think that through, would it make them recognize that their interpretation is on shaky ground?Jugulumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09932658890162312549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-73623277756225147412013-11-16T21:34:25.912-05:002013-11-16T21:34:25.912-05:00According to some sedevacantists, NFP is sinful an...According to some sedevacantists, NFP is sinful and was not the traditional position of the RCC.<br /><br />See: <br /><br />http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/42_NFP.pdf<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFSQrKrrQqw<br /><br />It seems NFP is a relatively "new" thing in the RCC.explorerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05898412174864424361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-82669774925977014132013-11-16T21:30:00.180-05:002013-11-16T21:30:00.180-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.explorerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05898412174864424361noreply@blogger.com