tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post5946131291867124628..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Cajetan's Quote on the Apocrypha is Fraudulent? James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-980872778229280942016-05-27T05:39:40.757-04:002016-05-27T05:39:40.757-04:00Mmm, the western thinking has been argued to death...Mmm, the western thinking has been argued to death, but what about the eastern thinking? I don't remember reading any quote in the last millennium from the eastern church against the canonical status of these books.<br /><br />Some cardinal made some quote, I forget who or the exact words, but to the effect that excessive focus on the past is a betrayal of the current church, because we can't know fully what the ancient church thought. I always thought that quote might have taken things a bit far, but it did have a point. We know what a few characters thought 500 years ago about the canon, but we can't take a survey about the most popular opinion. This quote from Cajan doesn't say a whole lot more than that he had some knowledge of what Jerome said, and he had a high opinion of Jerome. Sometimes the most educated person in the room is also the one most out of step with the majority because he is so steeped in his education.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977287092917957220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-18187611258631756882016-05-17T13:35:17.586-04:002016-05-17T13:35:17.586-04:00Thanks both David and James.
Excellent article Ja...Thanks both David and James.<br /><br />Excellent article James.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-58703267196913414932016-05-17T00:19:06.919-04:002016-05-17T00:19:06.919-04:00Sorry guys. I back-posted the quote in order to us...Sorry guys. I back-posted the quote in order to use the picture of the Latin text on the CARM boards. I've only now had the chance to fill out the blog entry with the details. James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-57663225700666712592016-05-16T21:01:34.534-04:002016-05-16T21:01:34.534-04:00Hi Ken,
You asked, and you shall receive:
"...Hi Ken,<br /><br />You asked, and you shall receive:<br /><br />"And in this place we terminate the commentaries on the historical books of the Old Testament : for the rest, (to wit, the books of Judith, of Tobit, and the Maccabees,) are reckoned by St. Jerome without the canonical books, and are placed among the apocryphal, together with the book of Wisdom and Ecclesiasticus : as is manifest in the Helmet-Preface. And be not discomposed as if by a fresh discovery, if, at any time, you shall find these books accounted among the canonical, either in the sacred Councils or in the holy Doctors. For the words, as well of Councils as of Doctors, are to be brought back to the standard of Jerome: and, agreeably to his opinion addressed to the bishops Chromatius and Heliodorus, these books, (and if there be others like them in the canon of the Bible) are not canonical, that is, are not of authority to establish articles of faith. They can, however, be designated canonical (that is regular) for the edification of the faithful : as for that purpose, they are received and authenticated, in the canon of the Bible. For, with this distinction, you will be able to understand the language of Augustine in his second book of Christian Doctrine, passages in the Council of Florence under Eugenius the Fourth, and in the Provincial Councils of Carthage and Laodicea,—and the words of the Pontiffs Innocent and Gelasius. Cardinal Cajetan: To the praise and glory of Almighty God : Rome, in the year of salvation, 1532 : and in the 64th year of my age, and 19th day of July, Amen."<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />David<br />David Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-82550741952240950512016-05-13T10:00:20.692-04:002016-05-13T10:00:20.692-04:00Translation?Translation?Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.com