tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post5289687967790781668..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Tiber Swim Book Club #2James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-60772966514796728972010-05-27T19:24:58.363-04:002010-05-27T19:24:58.363-04:00"they closely resemble Catholicism and Orthod..."they closely resemble Catholicism and Orthodoxy rather than anything even remotely close to Protestantism" <br /><br />It's interesting that you don't make the mistake many do of trying to claim the fathers for Rome.<br /><br />The fathers were not Roman Catholics.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-25743694592832826752010-05-27T17:59:02.516-04:002010-05-27T17:59:02.516-04:00Who says Daille is the all knowing sage of the Chu...Who says Daille is the all knowing sage of the Church Father's writings? There are many scholars of his time who were just as well educated or more so concerning the Fathers who disagree with his assessment. So what? It is nothing more than the logical fallacy of appealing to the authority of one historian over another. I recommend reading the Fathers for yourself. They are readily available on the net for free, rather than taking one person's over another s word on what they think the Fathers meant.<br /><br />When i converted I went to to the sources themselves to read them and drew my own conclusions. There is no question that when one reads the Fathers without the baggage they bring with them from the anti-Catholics they read before hand, that they closely resemble Catholicism and Orthodoxy rather than anything even remotely close to Protestantism. Do you or own research.James Bellisariohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01786370386909499672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-57668146246308559962010-05-27T16:23:20.848-04:002010-05-27T16:23:20.848-04:00It is indeed very ironical to see how your traditi...It is indeed very ironical to see how your tradition-despising religion is based on tradition. :-)The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-90713900949721619312010-05-27T12:36:45.833-04:002010-05-27T12:36:45.833-04:00As it is therefore impossible to discover exactly,...<i>As it is therefore impossible to discover exactly, out of the Fathers, what have been the sense and judgment of the ancient Church,—whether taken universally or particularly, or whether the Church is taken for the whole body of believers, or for the prelates and inferior clergy only</i><br /><br />Sorry, that's just wrong. The Magisterium said so.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-37530627550971280812010-05-27T10:50:47.627-04:002010-05-27T10:50:47.627-04:00"You know how you're reading the Early Ch...<i>"You know how you're reading the Early Church Fathers, and how wonderful it is? You know that feeling you're getting that now you've plugged into ancient Christian history? Well, as you're ordering your books by Hahn, Madrid, or Ray, (the ones telling you all about Church history that you think are "unanswerable"), for the sake of both sides of the issue, because we know you're trying to be as honest and careful as possible in your research, I think you need to secure a copy of this book:<br /><br />A Treatise on the Right Use of the Fathers in the Decision of Controversies Existing at This Day in Religion by John Daillé"</i><br /><br />It would be interesting to know if any of the "Called to Communion" guys read Daille's book prior to Swimming the Tiber.<br /><br />Or it would be interesting to know if anyone was contemplating swimming the Tiber, stopped to read Daille's book, and then decided to not swim the Tiber.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com