tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post5116731661370364728..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Robert Sungenis on YouCatJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-28792994741879605512011-09-09T22:49:16.605-04:002011-09-09T22:49:16.605-04:00Thank you very much for the help, Brigitte.
Hey a...Thank you very much for the help, Brigitte.<br /><br />Hey all!<br /><br />I’m sorry <i>YouCat</i> ever got published, but the final homily delivered at World Youth Day was the best homily I’ve seen from a Pope: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2011/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20110821_xxvi-gmg-madrid_en.html.<br /><br />What do you think?<br /><br />In Christ,<br />PeteRebecca Holterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11170414182783178306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-33186013362440230542011-09-09T10:55:14.516-04:002011-09-09T10:55:14.516-04:00"verhafted" maybe would be best as "..."verhafted" maybe would be best as "intimately tied up with".Brigittehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259491144770243688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-68721315451498947482011-09-09T08:46:46.878-04:002011-09-09T08:46:46.878-04:00It would be GREAT if Roman Catholic lay people sta...It would be GREAT if Roman Catholic lay people started reading Luther. And Melancthon's apology to the AC, article IV.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-57203623128810242522011-09-09T01:32:39.017-04:002011-09-09T01:32:39.017-04:00"Irrtuemer" is simply "errors"..."Irrtuemer" is simply "errors". "Verhafted" is really quite strange. Usually it means that the police has caught you and put hand-cuffs on you. You are going to prison. You have lost your liberty. You can't do as you like. You are tied up and can't move. Something like that. Which I guess is something like "dominated".<br /><br />Re: joint declaration on justification. I sure wish we had agreed to something, but according to conservative people there is too much vagueness to say that something has been achieved. Each can see what they like in the statement. Perhaps, it can be fixed but the way it sounds to me, conservative RC's won't really have it; apparently having a German pope is helping matters, as he might have a better understanding of Luther than other popes. He suggested to Catholics to read Luther. It is my hope that this helps.Brigittehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259491144770243688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-62630165200997128772011-09-08T23:13:39.914-04:002011-09-08T23:13:39.914-04:00"It is particularly egregious for YouCat to s...<i>"It is particularly egregious for YouCat to say that the biblical authors were “dominated by the errors” of the culture around them. If that were the case, why weren’t they dominated by the same “errors of the culture” when they were writing about the “way of salvation”? </i><br /><br />Good point. And as you can see in the thread on "The Canon as Infallible Sacred Tradition", the officially sanctioned liberal notes in the RC NAB are blamed on the presence of Reformed brethren sitting in on the council.PeaceByJesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08754948549904895669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-46078482906652386102011-09-08T16:29:39.349-04:002011-09-08T16:29:39.349-04:00Louis said…
Louis said…
Louis said…
Louis said…
W...Louis said…<br />Louis said…<br />Louis said…<br />Louis said…<br /><br />What is it exactly that you’re trying to say, Louis? :)<br /><br />In Christ,<br />PeteRebecca Holterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11170414182783178306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-12716646784514145382011-09-08T16:27:10.413-04:002011-09-08T16:27:10.413-04:00Wie geht’s, Brigitte!
I believe the German editio...Wie geht’s, Brigitte!<br /><br />I believe the German edition is the only one that’s been “approved” in any sense, although Ignatius Press did their best to provide a faithful translation. <br /><br />I only took German in high school, but I do remember our true/false exams, and it was richtig and falsch. The YouCat seems to use Irrtümern in contrast with richtig where we know-nothings might expect something like falsch. Could there be anything to this? And could you please expand on the possible meanings of verhaftet? Do you think it could mean something more along the lines of the Biblical authors being constrained to adapt their message to what would be understandable to the surrounding peoples, without having the intent of promoting the errors of that culture; and also without having, while under divine inspiration, succumbed to those errors themselves? I suppose that all of this would be more than what could be derived from what the YouCat says, but is it possible for these ideas to coincide? Or does the text clearly or straightforwardly mean that the Biblical authors were in error under divine inspiration?<br /><br />Thank you for your help!<br /><br />Are you in the field of biology?<br /><br />Have you read the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification? What do you think of it?<br /><br />With love in Christ,<br />PeteRebecca Holterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11170414182783178306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-44585503329135924182011-09-08T16:08:28.928-04:002011-09-08T16:08:28.928-04:00Brigette, as a former Lutheran (WELS) I'm happ...Brigette, as a former Lutheran (WELS) I'm happy you see through the folly of marco-evolution from a scientific viewpoint. Indeed how can a reptile become a bird, when kind reproduces after its own kind? And how can evolutionists claim to know how man 'evolved' when they have never seen the process take place? Their faith is evolution is just that, a faith in evidence never seen, in opposition to true faith that has real evidence not seen. True science, which deals in evidence that can be seen, confirms the basic observable truths of Genesis. Namely, kind reproduces after its own kind, man is superior to animals, and is the master of them, not their descendant, and a day is divided into daytime and nighttime. The evolutionists reject true science and become fools blinded by their false wisdom.Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-17376366277941837282011-09-08T12:47:31.992-04:002011-09-08T12:47:31.992-04:00Thanks for special version Pete. Which language i...Thanks for special version Pete. Which language is supposed to be definitive, I wonder. I am meditating over the the "dominated" vs. "verhafted." In the end it leaves the door pretty wide open to things being considered culturally conditioned. <br /><br />In terms of creation, Genesis is indeed pretty sketchy in terms of how, except we know ex nihilo and by the word (Word). <br /><br />On the other hand as a biology person I have huge problems with the prevailing dogma of macro-evolution for example. It is pretty ridiculous and I hate to see any Christians adhering to that.Brigittehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10259491144770243688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-64020517410875674392011-09-08T12:16:30.554-04:002011-09-08T12:16:30.554-04:00"When are you guys gonna come in the Church a..."When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight?"<br /><br />They tried that and were thrown out. It was called the Reformation.louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-46194526538877141432011-09-08T12:15:51.068-04:002011-09-08T12:15:51.068-04:00"When are you guys gonna come in the Church a..."When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight?"<br /><br />They tried that and were thrown out. It was called the Reformation.louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-32018938055663600902011-09-08T11:09:33.861-04:002011-09-08T11:09:33.861-04:00Why would not an action that builds up the eccles...Why would not an action that builds up the ecclesial Body of Christ a good thing?Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-14070708454565522432011-09-08T08:41:54.371-04:002011-09-08T08:41:54.371-04:00When are you guys gonna come in the Church and hel...<i>When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight? </i><br /><br />For starters, any fight that results in RCC's being strengthened (unless it involves massive repentance for its DOGMA) is not good.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-67100691542196364752011-09-08T08:04:32.828-04:002011-09-08T08:04:32.828-04:00"When are you guys gonna come in the Church a..."When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight?"<br /><br />They tried that and were thrown out... it was called the Reformation. :)louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-87270547176798160352011-09-08T08:04:12.188-04:002011-09-08T08:04:12.188-04:00"When are you guys gonna come in the Church a..."When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight?"<br /><br />They tried that and were thrown out... it was called the Reformation. :)louishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05447894010657835114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-42484338908499946962011-09-07T20:08:22.124-04:002011-09-07T20:08:22.124-04:00Yes, very terrible. When are you guys gonna come ...Yes, very terrible. When are you guys gonna come in the Church and help us fight the good fight? Here is the inerrancy paragraph in German for Brigitte:<br /><br />15. <i>Wie kann die Heilige Schrift “Wahrheit” sein, wenn nicht alles, was in ihr steht, richtig ist?</i><br /><br /><b>Historische Präzision oder naturwissenschaftliche Erkenntnisse will uns die Bibel nicht vermitteln. Auch waren die Autoren Kinder ihrer Zeit. Sie teilten die kulturellen Vorstellungen ihrer Umwelt und waren manchmal auch ihren Irrtümern verhaftet. Doch alles, was der Mensch über Gott und den Weg seiner Erlösung wissen muss, findet sich mit unfehlbarer Sicherheit in der Heiligen Schrift. [106 – 107, 109]</b> (http://www.droemer-knaur.de/livebook/LP_978-3-629-02194-6/index.html)<br /><br />Too bad.<br /><br />With love in Christ,<br />Pete HolterPete Holterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01206812695011729322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-17254150005898703392011-09-07T16:53:07.488-04:002011-09-07T16:53:07.488-04:00Knock knock, Dr. Sungenis.Knock knock, Dr. Sungenis.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-91881344406116144792011-09-07T14:24:07.629-04:002011-09-07T14:24:07.629-04:00Very interesting.Very interesting.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07883500968749756873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-55242682854220950732011-09-07T09:56:56.949-04:002011-09-07T09:56:56.949-04:00Apparently YouCat = gold mine. Wow.Apparently YouCat = gold mine. Wow.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com