tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post5101547615052083042..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Yawn: The Origin Of The False Doctrine Of Sola Scriptura...Driving The Last Nail In The Coffin of Sola Scriptura?James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-46907643132985522672013-01-03T16:05:59.168-05:002013-01-03T16:05:59.168-05:00"The expression "Scripture Alone" i...<i>"The expression "Scripture Alone" is not found verbatim anywhere in the historical Luther's vocabulary. They young friar simply faithfully obeyed the directive that was given him through the Constitutions. The priority of the Scriptures has a long pre-Lutheran tradition inside and outside of his order.(pg 67)"</i><br /><br />Thanks for the addition.<br /><br /><i>Hmm, how did you get them to send you a complimentary copy? Do you get other free materials from Concordia?</i><br /><br />No, I don't typically get free materials from Concordia, they were kind enough though to send this book over to me shortly after its release. <br /><br /> James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-64091028598253746152013-01-02T18:43:29.890-05:002013-01-02T18:43:29.890-05:00Hmm, how did you get them to send you a compliment...Hmm, how did you get them to send you a complimentary copy? Do you get other free materials from Concordia?<br /><br />Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18261351748058047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-1912733920781403872013-01-02T14:51:42.779-05:002013-01-02T14:51:42.779-05:00James: Further, I'd be interested in seeing an...James: Further, I'd be interested in seeing any statement from Luther using the phrase "sola scriptura" during his meetings with Cajetan.<br /><br />Me: I would be interested as well, since Posset claims that:<br /><br /><i>"The expression "Scripture Alone" is not found verbatim anywhere in the historical Luther's vocabulary. They young friar simply faithfully obeyed the directive that was given him through the Constitutions. The priority of the Scriptures has a long pre-Lutheran tradition inside and outside of his order.(pg 67)"</i>Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18261351748058047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-35855206808848026442013-01-02T14:50:16.889-05:002013-01-02T14:50:16.889-05:00Thanks for the info Joe.
I'm not sure I menti...Thanks for the info Joe.<br /><br />I'm not sure I mentioned it, but Concordia actually sent me a complimentary copy of Posset's book shortly after they released it. I probably would have purchased it anyway. I've yet to actually come across a Roman Catholic that has read the book. Reformation scholarship doesn't seem to interest pop-Roman apologists. They're still stuck on things like Grisar. <br /><br />The folks over at Concordia do a great job. The recent volumes of LW are thoroughly researched, with even better documentation than (I think) than the earlier volumes of LW published decades ago. James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-39424038391754230882013-01-02T10:27:01.634-05:002013-01-02T10:27:01.634-05:00Hi James.
Thanks for your feedback. Makes sense.
...Hi James.<br /><br />Thanks for your feedback. Makes sense.<br /><br />I wanted to get Real Luther for a few reasons really. First, at your recommendation several months back in our prior brief conversation when we commented on Lortz. I trust and recognize you as very knowledgeable on Luther and real research.<br /><br />Second, it is published by Concordia. As one who has been more recently convinced more fully of Lutheran theology...I have purchased such materials for 2013.<br /><br />Third, Posset is Roman Catholic and this work appears to have received several positive remarks from other RC's.<br /><br />Fourth, I have some RC friends that am on and off in theological discussions with (that are always trying to convert me)...so figure it would be a good resource for these conversations.<br /><br />So far very interesting. Though, I am not nearly as knowledgeable about the names/times/places of the Reformation/Luther as you, so some of the material is beyond me...but certainly the main points are graspable.<br /><br />I actually did not know Luther was a friar as opposed to a monk, or the difference between them really. And find it very interesting that some of the popular legends (thunderstorm vow, tower experience, nailing of the 95 "theses", "here I stand") are most likely historically false, at least, according to Posset's methodology.<br /><br />I am right at 2.4.2, where Posset starts talking about the study of scripture and scripture alone in his order.<br /><br />in Him,<br /><br />JoeJoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18261351748058047837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-71654059257315556792013-01-01T08:52:10.080-05:002013-01-01T08:52:10.080-05:00Thanks so much Martin!
The answers were compiled...Thanks so much Martin! <br /><br />The answers were compiled from past blog entries. James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-43507367430305602782012-12-31T22:51:55.494-05:002012-12-31T22:51:55.494-05:00James,
Thanks for this stupendous and decisive re...James,<br /><br />Thanks for this stupendous and decisive refutation of romanist falsehood. Never seen anything quite like this.<br /><br />MartinMartin Yeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10161902509192193592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-54354312097808889922012-12-31T13:22:00.959-05:002012-12-31T13:22:00.959-05:00Hi Joe,
By "historic Luther" Grisar is ...Hi Joe,<br /><br />By "historic Luther" Grisar is referring to the way in which the Germans in 1917 put forth Luther as an important key element in German national history, at the expense Luther's theology and teaching. These were downplayed, or rendered insignificant. <br /><br />In other words, the historic Luther gets obliterated when he's put forth as a national hero not taking his whole theology and whole teaching into account.<br /><br />One thing I've always maintained about Grisar: his actual accounting of information (including references) is usually good. Grisar gets slammed because of the way he interprets the facts. That's probably why Posset says Grisar is denigrated for other reasons.<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, what made you get Posset's book? James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-64963849899681815612012-12-31T12:22:57.200-05:002012-12-31T12:22:57.200-05:00Hi James.
You said: Grisar has been cited extensi...Hi James.<br /><br />You said: Grisar has been cited extensively on this blog, so I'm well aware of the approach taken. The pages from Grisar in question can be found here.<br /><br />Me: Somewhat indirectly related to your post, I am reading the Real Luther by Posset and on pg 29 he says:<br /><br />"With the Catholic Luther scholar Hartmann Grisar, who is often denigrated for other reasons, one needs to remain aware that the "historical Luther has been obliterated"". <br /><br />Do you interpret this to mean Posset thinks Grisar himself obliterated the historical Luther? In its context, it seems that way, but then again, the quote "historical Luther has been obliterated" is actually taken from Grisar's work (pg 584), which confuses me a bit without having Grisar's work.<br /><br />in Him,<br /><br />JoeJoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18261351748058047837noreply@blogger.com