tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post4607244563349624245..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: Calvinism and MissionsJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-70768380466692744482011-12-13T13:11:10.240-05:002011-12-13T13:11:10.240-05:00The word for “left” is also used in Matthew 23:23 ...The word for “left” is also used in Matthew 23:23 (translated there “neglected”, which is the word that Shedd used twice above.)<br /><br /><br />Better - <br /><br />The Greek word for “left” is also used in Matthew 23:23 (translated there “neglected”, which is the English word that Shedd used twice above.)Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-49939489549932908332011-12-13T11:40:09.544-05:002011-12-13T11:40:09.544-05:00i read some more of Shedd's book - he says the...i read some more of Shedd's book - he says the early church <i> <b>neglected</b></i> the Arabs and did not send get the gospel to them.<br /><br />with that, I agree.<br /><br />“Islam owes its origin not the strength of Christian influence, but to its weakness, not to force of circumstance, but to the<b> fault</b> of the church. Arabia was <b> <i>neglected </i> </b>for 600 years and the church has suffered the penalty. “ ( p. 43) <br /><br />“a nation was left in ignorance” (p. 44) <br /><br />“Let us impress on our minds that such <i> <b>negligence</b> </i> will always be punished, that Christendom will always and inevitably pay the penalty of its indolence.” (p. 44) <br /><br />“you have left your first love” - Jesus to the church at Ephesus<br /><br />“I will remove your lamp stand unless you repent.” See Revelation 2:4-5<br /><br />The word for “left” is also used in Matthew 23:23 (translated there “neglected”, which is the word that Shedd used twice above.)<br /><br />Yes, very interesting.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-29975176277079399952011-12-13T08:41:13.852-05:002011-12-13T08:41:13.852-05:00Though not directly related to the subject of &quo...Though not directly related to the subject of "Calvinism and Missions", they do relate to Islam, history, Iranian Gnostic interpretations that have been around deep in their culture; David Waltz's additions to the issue should also include our disagreements in his last 3 articles.<br /> <br />David Waltz and I have lots of spirited dis-agreement in his com boxes over the years - especially his last three posts. (If anyone is interested.)<br /><br />http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2011/12/dr-todd-lawsons-stimulating-lecture.html<br /><br />http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2011/12/james-whites-misuse-of-melito-of-sardis.html<br /><br />http://articulifidei.blogspot.com/2011/12/early-christian-muslim-dialogue.htmlKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-89082222502839579272011-12-13T08:30:56.117-05:002011-12-13T08:30:56.117-05:00William Abrose Shedd was a Presbyterian missionary...William Abrose Shedd was a Presbyterian missionary in Northwest Iran, Urumieh - and died trying to help the Assyrians from the Muslim massacres, especially the Ottoman Turks. <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ambrose_Shedd<br /><br />the Wikipedia article Latin-izes the spelling of the city of Urumia as Urmia. (or Urumia or Oroumia, )<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urmia<br /><br />I have not read Shedd's book, though I had heard of it before, I looked at some of it per your link.<br /><br />All missionaries to the Muslim world are caught between a rock and a hard place. In order to reach out to the Muslims, one has to go be with them, which automatically creates a negative feeling among the minority Christian populations that have survived in the Muslim world. ( The Maronite Catholics in Lebanon; the Armenians in Iran and Iraq; the Copts in Egypt; the "Rum" in Jordan and Syria and Palestine (descendants from Byzantine Empire). <br /><br />There has been a tendency in history books in the west to be overly positive in its descriptions of Islamic invasions and conquering, but as more and more research is done, it is becoming clearer to me that it was not so positive.<br /><br />Raymond Ibrahim sounds the warnings of what is happening to day to the Copts in Egypt.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T-Y67SzLkk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.answeringmuslims.com%2F&feature=player_embeddedKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-67873192764288379022011-12-13T08:13:38.410-05:002011-12-13T08:13:38.410-05:00The second review of Miller's book on Bahai...The second review of Miller's book on Bahai'ism was done by Elwell-Sutton, a British scholar of Iran(he lived in Iran at the early part of the 1900s when the British discovered and developed the oil fields in Abadan); I used his 2 books in learning Farsi (they are supplements to actually being with Iranians)<br /><br />Colloquial Persian (London, 1941) and Elementary Persian Grammar (Cambridge, 1963) <br /><br />He complains that Miller was trying to be objective and is upset that the conflicts between the Bahai's and Babis (also called Azalis) were exposed.<br /><br />More interesting stuff here:<br /><br />http://bahaism.blogspot.com/<br /><br />http://bahaism.blogspot.com/2010/07/fatal-flaw-in-bahai-authority.htmlKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-72203653496292187932011-12-13T03:25:29.212-05:002011-12-13T03:25:29.212-05:00For those who are reading Miller's, The Baha&#...For those who are reading Miller's, <i>The Baha'i Faith</i>, I would like to share the two following reviews:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://bahai-library.com/martin_missionary_historian_miller" rel="nofollow">Review - 1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://bahai-library.com/elwell-sutton_miller_bahai_faith" rel="nofollow">Review - 2</a><br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />DavidDavid Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-12445761650186088412011-12-13T03:19:12.806-05:002011-12-13T03:19:12.806-05:00Hi Ken,
Another post of interest to this beachbum...Hi Ken,<br /><br />Another post of interest to this beachbum...<br /><br />I have read a number of Samuel Zwemer's books (though dated, they still have much to offer), and two of Miller's books (<i>A Christian Response To Islam</i>, and <i>The Baha'i Faith</i>).<br /><br />I sincerely wonder if you have read another work by a Presbyterian missionary to Iran: William Ambrose Shedd's, <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/islamorientalchu00shed" rel="nofollow"><i>Islam and the Oriental Churches</i></a>; I found the book to be 'interesting.'<br /><br /><br />Grace and peace,<br /><br />DavidDavid Waltzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17966083488813749052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-22592306325307252352011-12-12T17:51:10.601-05:002011-12-12T17:51:10.601-05:00Ken, very well done. Thank You for the Link to Wm....Ken, very well done. Thank You for the Link to Wm. Miller's book; The Bahai Faith.<br />I searched in vane 10 yrs ago for that book to no avail. It is considered one of the best resources on Bahai. The Ankerberg Encyclopedia of Cults and New Religions references that book extensively.Algohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11166837376395639695noreply@blogger.com