tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post4050336401778170666..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: James Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-80051156083281477532008-12-09T12:45:00.000-05:002008-12-09T12:45:00.000-05:00Rhology:Since we are getting off the topic of the ...Rhology:<BR/><BR/>Since we are getting off the topic of the thread, I will respond to your comment via e-mail.Agelliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305597900813126268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-60379498470622695122008-12-08T15:43:00.000-05:002008-12-08T15:43:00.000-05:00Stacey writes, "Try not to be upset and just offer...Stacey writes, "Try not to be upset and just offer it up to the Lord. Prove him wrong with your actions."<BR/><BR/>I'm not upset and I have nothing to prove. But thanks for offering your advice.Agelliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305597900813126268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-33422161310453379422008-12-06T10:09:00.000-05:002008-12-06T10:09:00.000-05:00the Church claims to be a living authority capable...<I>the Church claims to be a living authority capable of continually clarifying the meaning and intention of its own statements, which no book can do.</I><BR/><BR/>1) Yes, the church CLAIMS to be that, but the verification of those claims are circular.<BR/>2) The upshot of this living authority, according to your own statement, would be that the church could thus <B>actually clarify stuff sometimes</B>. Please name the last time it has infallibly done so.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-61435600029511197802008-12-05T20:04:00.000-05:002008-12-05T20:04:00.000-05:00Agellius,Positive reinforcement. Try not to be ups...Agellius,<BR/><BR/>Positive reinforcement. Try not to be upset and just offer it up to the Lord. Prove him wrong with your actions.<BR/><BR/>Peace.Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406517325044009166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-3913406230072134882008-12-05T19:56:00.000-05:002008-12-05T19:56:00.000-05:00Stacey writes, "It's nice when people are amicable...Stacey writes, "It's nice when people are amicable with the other side, so to speak."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, it was nice of him to point out when a Catholic does something good. But . . . maybe . . . not quite so nice to purport that Catholics hardly ever do such a thing.Agelliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305597900813126268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-51662581912698571512008-12-05T19:47:00.000-05:002008-12-05T19:47:00.000-05:00James writes, "Here's a church claiming to infallb...James writes, "Here's a church claiming to infallbily interpret Scripture which never (or rarely) does . . ."<BR/><BR/>What is amusing about this? The Church claims the authority to infallibly interpret the scriptures. What does the frequency of its exercise of that authority have to do with anything?<BR/><BR/>". . . even infallible statments are allowed to have multiple interpretations as long as they don't deny the infallible interpretation . . ."<BR/><BR/>And? What's the point?<BR/><BR/>". . . but then again, those infallible statements are....interpreted privately by subjective individuals."<BR/><BR/>Yes, and private individual Protestants interpret the Bible in any number of subjective ways. Does that affect the objective authority and accuracy of the Bible?<BR/><BR/>I realize your point is that Catholics argue that sola scriptura doesn't work because people will interpret the Bible in any number of subjective ways; and you're saying some Catholics do the same with infallible pronouncements. The difference, however, is that the Church claims to be a living authority capable of continually clarifying the meaning and intention of its own statements, which no book can do. Thus using our own argument against us in this case doesn't work.Agelliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305597900813126268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-48837085327588253202008-12-04T21:30:00.000-05:002008-12-04T21:30:00.000-05:00if you're interested in looking it up, I was readi...<I>if you're interested in looking it up, I was reading this essay in "Survivals and New Arrivals".</I><BR/><BR/>Hi Stacey,<BR/><BR/>I will put it on my "to do list." I have a big paper I'm working on at the moment for a WTS class.<BR/><BR/>I do find the subjective/objective comments from RC writers rather amusing. Here's a church claiming to infallbily interpret Scripture which never (or rarely) does, and as I blogged recently over at aomin, even infallible statments are allowed to have multiple interpretations as long as they don't deny the infallible interpretation- but then again, those infallible statements are....interpreted privately by subjective individuals.James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-60160074141234510132008-12-04T08:21:00.000-05:002008-12-04T08:21:00.000-05:00Rhology,Thanks! That's a lot of reading...James,I ...Rhology,<BR/>Thanks! That's a lot of reading...<BR/><BR/>James,<BR/>I know you're probably a busy man, but if you're interested in looking it up, I was reading this essay in "Survivals and New Arrivals".Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406517325044009166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-59024798865753270812008-12-04T08:18:00.000-05:002008-12-04T08:18:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406517325044009166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-4519742483045341312008-12-04T06:45:00.000-05:002008-12-04T06:45:00.000-05:00I was trying to browse your site for any postings ...<I>I was trying to browse your site for any postings in response to Belloc's assertion that the Reformation was the first step in the direction of self-reliance. He said the next step was rejecting the Bible as an authority and creating a "subjective religion", which I have seen done.</I><BR/><BR/>I'd have to see Belloc's argument to fully understand what is meant by "self-reliance"- I don't recall writing on it, and I haven't read Belloc in quite some time. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, any Catholic putting forth argumentation using "subjective" and "objective" is usually employing double standards- that is, putting forth a position that is refuted by their own argumentation. Rome's apologists typically offer goods that don't provide what they claim they do.James Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-73544120531315655302008-12-03T19:06:00.000-05:002008-12-03T19:06:00.000-05:00Stacey,Here is one good place to start.The Roman C...Stacey,<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search/label/Blueprint%20For%20Anarchy" REL="nofollow">Here is one good place to start.</A><BR/><BR/>The Roman Catholic Church makes lots of assertions along those lines, and those posts go a long way toward discrediting their claims to superiority on that count.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-14453083180606503952008-12-03T10:47:00.000-05:002008-12-03T10:47:00.000-05:00Greetings.This is actually an off topic request: i...Greetings.<BR/><BR/>This is actually an off topic request: i wonder if you could recommend to me some of what you consider the best articles (or multimedia) answering the romanists claim that they gave us the Bible.<BR/><BR/>If you could send the links to maxaug@gmail.com it would be great.<BR/><BR/>God bless you all and keep up the good work!Maximiliano Mendeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16003455910054994166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-74569894786898510072008-12-03T10:25:00.000-05:002008-12-03T10:25:00.000-05:00James,Thanks for the "two thumbs up" for this Cath...James,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the "two thumbs up" for this Catholic. It's nice when people are amicable with the other side, so to speak.<BR/><BR/>I was trying to browse your site for any postings in response to Belloc's assertion that the Reformation was the first step in the direction of self-reliance. He said the next step was rejecting the Bible as an authority and creating a "subjective religion", which I have seen done. Your site is quite extensive, and I couldn't find what I was looking for. Can you direct me? <BR/><BR/>Thank you.Staceyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406517325044009166noreply@blogger.com