tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post2266365001449370939..comments2024-03-22T16:09:48.895-04:00Comments on Beggars All: Reformation And Apologetics: A Muslim admits that one who dies for his enemies has greater loveJames Swanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-6527810152198468672010-08-11T17:31:29.020-04:002010-08-11T17:31:29.020-04:00Thanks Pilgrimsarbour for your comments!
Thanks t...Thanks Pilgrimsarbour for your comments!<br /><br />Thanks to the others also who commented.<br /><br />I was surprised that this post only got 3 comments.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-56716303961291136602010-08-02T17:33:12.731-04:002010-08-02T17:33:12.731-04:00It really is amazing how little one knows about wh...It really is amazing how little one knows about what our experience is suppose to be with regard to these things once we are indeed born again and maturing in the knowledge and grace of Christ, the will of God by the work of the Holy Spirit washing, sanctifying and justifying the elect chosen out of this fabric of flesh humanity!<br /><br />For instance. Indeed Christ died for all humanity. But, his death renders different results to the one an outcome that is not the same as to others; see <b>John 16:8-12</b>.<br /><br />His death results in a forensic relationship between us, the Elect with the non-elect and Satan and his angels.<br /><br />Indeed Christ died for the Elect that they would be delivered from this present evil age, whichever age you were born into and passed from to Glory. These Words have been completed in all generations and all suffer one or the other result:<br /><br /><i>Luk 20:16 He will come and destroy those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When they heard this, they said, "Surely not!" <br />Luk 20:17 But he looked directly at them and said, "What then is this that is written: "'The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone'? <br />Luk 20:18 Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him." <br />Luk 20:19 The scribes and the chief priests sought to lay hands on him at that very hour, for they perceived that he had told this parable against them, but they feared the people.</i> <br /><br /><br />Indeed, there is none righteous, no not one. You will either be broken to pieces or you will be crushed. Those Words are real and existential for every human, no ifs, ands or buts about it!<br /><br />That verse, <b>Romans 5:7</b> and the word "righteous" in the Aramaic/English is translated "wicked". Let me render it that way:<br /><br />NASB: <i>7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.</i><br /><br />Aramiac: <b><i>hardly would any man die for the sake of the wicked, but for the sake of the good, one might be willing to die</i></b><br /><br />Why the word "wicked" and not "righteous"? Because Aramiac and Hebrew are very very similar languages when written. The distinction between the words "righteous" and "wicked" is one simple mark or "jot" in the word and some have concluded that the "jot" was missing from the manuscript when that verse was written so as to render the word "righteous" and not "wicked" when translated into the English equivalent.<br /><br />Seeing the issue is Christ died for a group of people to save them from eternal damnation and all groups of people are not righteous but under wrath and condemnation from birth, I like the full force of the Aramiac/English rendering in this regard when addressing this subject.<br /><br />One needs to separate and parse the variety of Words we translate into English, "life" to fully grasp and understand the experience of "loving" others.<br /><br />I believe once you have it clear in your mind understanding will come to you to understand what the Holy Spirit intends for us to understand when we are to love others in this life.<br /><br />Until then, we are but children foolishly going about immaturely loving without understanding and in some instances that can be evil and when you sow evil you reap it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-25822955614363698482010-08-02T16:30:42.513-04:002010-08-02T16:30:42.513-04:00It's amazing how much Muslims can know just fr...It's amazing how much Muslims can know just from God's common grace! Imagine if they had the whole of it?John Lollardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15463317544726062051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19795707.post-23113378126097992812010-08-02T12:19:45.570-04:002010-08-02T12:19:45.570-04:00Here's another excellent example of why we nee...Here's another excellent example of why we need to compare Scripture with Scripture. The two statements, that Christ alludes to dying for His friends and Paul later speaks of Christ dying for His enemies, appear on the surface to be contradictory. If one never goes beyond the surface to reconcile the two statements, one is likely to conclude (with the unbeliever) that the Bible contradicts itself. Of course, the Arminian says that Christ died for every single person, friend and enemy of Christ alike. In this way, I suppose, the statements can be reconciled, but that would be an erroneous way of going about.<br /><br />However, none of us, including the elect, is a "friend" of God until our hearts are regenerated by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is right to call His disciples "friends" in anticipation of His final work on the cross which sealed their redemption. They were elect, so He could speak that way of them or anyone else who would become a member of the body of Christ.<br /><br />My challenge and my prayer for the non-Christian would be that he ask God to show him how these types of statements are to be reconciled in the one glorious unfolding mystery of Jesus Christ.<br /><br />Thanks, Ken, for this excellent post.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.com