Tuesday, February 13, 2007

Hank on Jeremiah 1:5...Well, Not Really





Jeremiah 1:5
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

I listened to the Bible Answer Man Show for 2/12/07. Hank took a call from a guy asking about Jeremiah 1:5. Hank's answer, if you can call it that, did quite a dance around Jeremiah 1:5. In fact, I don't think Hank ever commented on the verse. Do you like philosophical speculation rather than Biblical exegesis? Then, you'll enjoy Hank's answer.The call i'm talking about can be found here:

The Bible Answer Man Comments on Jeremiah 1:5

The question was in essence, "If God knew people before He creates them, why would he create someone He knew was going to Hell?" The caller sees the verse directly says God knew Jeremiah before he was born, and further, that he was set apart by God before his birth to be a prophet. The caller makes the implication that if God knows and chooses someone before birth, that would mean that God knows and chooses everyone before birth to live a particular life, and some of those particular lives end up eternally apart from God.

After you listen to Hank's answer, you'll note one thing in particular: his answer was devoid of Scripture. Here would be a perfect place for Hank to use the analogy of faith- to let Scripture interpret Scripture, and also to show how the New Testament interprets the Old Testament. Is there a place in the New Testament that speaks to this issue? There certainly is:

Romans 9 (NAS)
9 For this is the word of promise: "AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON."
10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;
11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

12 it was said to her, "THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER."
13 Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?"
20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it?
21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?
22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,
24even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.


Now, I like Hank and his work. But if his show claims to provide Bible answers, then by all means, he should provide Bible answers rather than philsophic answers.

6 comments:

GeneMBridges said...

Yes, well, he does this frequently whenever these questions arise. My favorite denial of the Reformed doctrine of providence: "That's determinism." He begins with a denial and crafts his response accordingly. That's classic rationalism. Somebody should say, "Well, if that's what Scripture teaches shouldn't we believe it?"

Personally, I'd like to hear some enterprising thinker call it just to pin him down on that. For example, ask about Jeremiah 1:5 and then say, "Your answer was utterly devoid of Scripture." You're right, he could have used the analogy of faith - which he regularly promotes through his promotion of "How To Read the Bible For All It's Worth." I'd like to hear him actually apply it himself on a consistent basis.

centuri0n said...

What the ... Romans 9? on BAM?!

Dude -- you can't be a southern baptist. you're obviously drunk ...

David S said...

What does Hanegraaff mean when he talks about "meaningful" love? He talks as if we have to "merit" God's grace/love with the "right" type of libertarian free will love in order to be saved. Someone also needs to ask him if he knows of anyone in hell who is saying "thank God I wasn't saved against my will!"

Wes Widner said...

How can we answer a theological question without using philosophy? Seems like yall's "he doesn't use enough Scripture" is really "he doesn't use the Scripture I want him to use to prove my philosophical presuppositions". You say his answer is totally devoid of Scripture, I say your answer is totally devoid of understanding.

Apologist said...

I am a calvinist myself, and Roman's 9 plays a big part in that. It is not the only scripture supporting Calvinism either, there are many.

As for many Christians, they believe Jesus died for everyone...but this can't be true. If he is the savior of everyone, then everyone would be going to heaven. That is what a savior does, they save you. Since not everyone will be saved and going to heaven, Jesus is not the savior of all. He is the savior of anyone that will believe in him as savior and rely on his death and resurrection.

Wes Widner said...

How exactly do you divide the blood of the sacrifice that was made to atone for the sins of the whole world?

Sorry, but you can't get Calvinism, and particularly the hideous doctrine of limited atonement, from a plain-text reading of scripture and I question why anyone who is commanded to love their fellow men who are also created in God's image would want to start creating arbitrary divisions.

Christ didn't come to seek and save those he had predestined to love. He came to seek and save the lost. Everyone. Period.